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The Official College Basketball 2012-13 Thread
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dçamden03 Jan 6 2013, 01:57 AM Post #151
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Ohio State just isn't very good, either is Illinois (Illinois is kempom #48!!!!). Things are going to look ugly for the B1G as the season goes on.
I think O$U is a bit overrated at well, but every road game will be a meat grinder, outside of maybe NW and Penn State.

Currently, I think IU and Purdue are in similar positions in a way. IU will need to win a few road games to have a shot at the title and PU will need to win a couple in order to dance (no shame in a rebuilding year, as IU fans know).

I just wish they'd stop playing the Saturday day games. I don't miss an IU or PU game unless they're at that time, and I enjoy watching both play.
Indiana needs no specific wins or losses to win a title, they are just good as they are. They just need to keep sharp.

Purdue isn't going to make the tournament, they ruined that with their pre-con schedule.
I don't think IU loses at home. I also think 14-4 wins a share of the B1G, so they need to secure at least 4 road wins for that to happen. Just my opinion of course. UM has looked damn good, so those numbers could easily change.

Purdue didn't help themselves with the OOC schedule, that's for sure.

Although, Purdue plays great defense, and if there's anything we've learned about a CMP team, it's that they improve as the year goes on. I don't think any team strolls into Mackey and has an easy victory, IU included. Personally, that game scares me a great deal, although I may be in the minority.

If Purdue can win most of their games at home and steal a few road games, I don't think they'll be out of the conversation. It's not likely, but far from unreasonable. Defense always travel.


Painter is a really good coach, but I just think he's got a mixed bag of talent. A lot of players right now that can do a lot of good things separate of each other, but cannot form a winning team. They'll probably be a 9-9 conference team but I think that'll be an awful conference record.

I think Michigan will win the B1G with a 16-2 record.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Ohio State just isn't very good, either is Illinois (Illinois is kempom #48!!!!). Things are going to look ugly for the B1G as the season goes on.
I think O$U is a bit overrated at well, but every road game will be a meat grinder, outside of maybe NW and Penn State.

Currently, I think IU and Purdue are in similar positions in a way. IU will need to win a few road games to have a shot at the title and PU will need to win a couple in order to dance (no shame in a rebuilding year, as IU fans know).

I just wish they'd stop playing the Saturday day games. I don't miss an IU or PU game unless they're at that time, and I enjoy watching both play.
Indiana needs no specific wins or losses to win a title, they are just good as they are. They just need to keep sharp.

Purdue isn't going to make the tournament, they ruined that with their pre-con schedule.
I don't think IU loses at home. I also think 14-4 wins a share of the B1G, so they need to secure at least 4 road wins for that to happen. Just my opinion of course. UM has looked damn good, so those numbers could easily change.

Purdue didn't help themselves with the OOC schedule, that's for sure.

Although, Purdue plays great defense, and if there's anything we've learned about a CMP team, it's that they improve as the year goes on. I don't think any team strolls into Mackey and has an easy victory, IU included. Personally, that game scares me a great deal, although I may be in the minority.

If Purdue can win most of their games at home and steal a few road games, I don't think they'll be out of the conversation. It's not likely, but far from unreasonable. Defense always travel.


Painter is a really good coach, but I just think he's got a mixed bag of talent. A lot of players right now that can do a lot of good things separate of each other, but cannot form a winning team. They'll probably be a 9-9 conference team but I think that'll be an awful conference record.

I think Michigan will win the B1G with a 16-2 record.
I'm not going to argue with anyone that thinks UM will win the conference with that mark. They look really good, and I certainly think 16-2 will get it done.

Question though. Purdue was 6-6 OOC, correct? If they go 9-9 in conference, depending on who they beat (and the Illinois win could already look very good, assuming they get a couple other very quality wins), they'll be 15-15. Considering how good the B1G looks compared to other conferences (whether you think it's down or not), I think that puts them out of the conversation for an NCAA berth. I think a 15-15 team in the BIG is much more impressive than an 18-12 in the SEC, ACC, or PAC-12.

Just my thoughts...shoot em down if you'd like.

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dçamden03 Jan 6 2013, 02:09 AM Post #153
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Ohio State just isn't very good, either is Illinois (Illinois is kempom #48!!!!). Things are going to look ugly for the B1G as the season goes on.
I think O$U is a bit overrated at well, but every road game will be a meat grinder, outside of maybe NW and Penn State.

Currently, I think IU and Purdue are in similar positions in a way. IU will need to win a few road games to have a shot at the title and PU will need to win a couple in order to dance (no shame in a rebuilding year, as IU fans know).

I just wish they'd stop playing the Saturday day games. I don't miss an IU or PU game unless they're at that time, and I enjoy watching both play.
Indiana needs no specific wins or losses to win a title, they are just good as they are. They just need to keep sharp.

Purdue isn't going to make the tournament, they ruined that with their pre-con schedule.
I don't think IU loses at home. I also think 14-4 wins a share of the B1G, so they need to secure at least 4 road wins for that to happen. Just my opinion of course. UM has looked damn good, so those numbers could easily change.

Purdue didn't help themselves with the OOC schedule, that's for sure.

Although, Purdue plays great defense, and if there's anything we've learned about a CMP team, it's that they improve as the year goes on. I don't think any team strolls into Mackey and has an easy victory, IU included. Personally, that game scares me a great deal, although I may be in the minority.

If Purdue can win most of their games at home and steal a few road games, I don't think they'll be out of the conversation. It's not likely, but far from unreasonable. Defense always travel.


Painter is a really good coach, but I just think he's got a mixed bag of talent. A lot of players right now that can do a lot of good things separate of each other, but cannot form a winning team. They'll probably be a 9-9 conference team but I think that'll be an awful conference record.

I think Michigan will win the B1G with a 16-2 record.
I'm not going to argue with anyone that thinks UM will win the conference with that mark. They look really good, and I certainly think 16-2 will get it done.

Question though. Purdue was 6-6 OOC, correct? If they go 9-9 in conference, depending on who they beat (and the Illinois win could already look very good, assuming they get a couple other very quality wins), they'll be 15-15. Considering how good the B1G looks compared to other conferences (whether you think it's down or not), I don't think that puts them out of the conversation for an NCAA berth. I think a 15-15 team in the BIG is much more impressive than an 18-12 in the SEC, ACC, or PAC-12.

Just my thoughts...shoot em down if you'd like.

Purdue will not make the NCAA tournament. They'll be lucky to make the NIT. They just aren't very good right now, and they had enough losses early on to eliminate themselves from the tourney.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Just to make the NIT, Purdue will need 10 Big Ten wins (either 10 regular season or 9 regular season and 1 BTT). I believe the NIT has stuck with its rule about not taking any losing teams.

I see no chance that Michigan or any other team goes 16-2 in conference play. Zero.

Michigan and Indiana both have to play all of the currently ranked teams on the road. That's five road games -- at Minnesota, Ohio State, Illinois, and Michigan State and against each other. I think Indiana and Michigan split which leaves only room for one more loss. Michigan also goes to Wisky (IU doesn't). If Indiana and Michigan were to split, that means they would have to three of the four games at Ohio State, Illinois, Minnesota, and Michigan State while not losing a single other game.

Minnesota probably got the best draw of everyone...they are the only one of the six teams that doesn't play nine games against the top group -- they play eight as they avoid playing at Michigan and they don't host Ohio State.
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Just to make the NIT, Purdue will need 10 Big Ten wins (either 10 regular season or 9 regular season and 1 BTT). I believe the NIT has stuck with its rule about not taking any losing teams.

I see no chance that Michigan or any other team goes 16-2 in conference play. Zero.

Michigan and Indiana both have to play all of the currently ranked teams on the road. That's five road games -- at Minnesota, Ohio State, Illinois, and Michigan State and against each other. I think Indiana and Michigan split which leaves only room for one more loss. Michigan also goes to Wisky (IU doesn't). If Indiana and Michigan were to split, that means they would have to three of the four games at Ohio State, Illinois, Minnesota, and Michigan State while not losing a single other game.

Minnesota probably got the best draw of everyone...they are the only one of the six teams that doesn't play nine games against the top group -- they play eight as they avoid playing at Michigan and they don't host Ohio State.
Purdue and the postseason should no longer be talked about. Not sure why its a conversation. Painter needs to just worry about its players getting better and working towards becoming a team.

Michigan and Indiana do have to play ranked teams on the road... but I really don't think that Illinois, OSU, or MSU are very good. Minnesota is a lot better than I thought, but I'm not exactly frightened of them. If I'm Michigan or Indiana, I feel pretty confident of the B1G road, unless they aren't really as good as we all thought.

I think both teams should prove worthy.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I have to agree with brum. No way michigan goes 16-2.
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I think Cam is really devaluing the road screwage in the Big Ten.
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After seeing Michigan stomp Iowa... Im thinking the B1G title is theirs to lose. The only way IU will compete with them is if we can get Hollowell, Perea and Elston into good playing shape. The three are rusty and we need them... with them, we're about 10 strong... without them, we're running 7 deep... big diff
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My only hope is Burke and Hardaway are gone after this year.
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My only hope is Burke and Hardaway are gone after this year.
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So our Georgetown win doesn't look all that impressive now.
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Michigan only up 6 with 8 minutes left at home against Nebraska. And that's with the home cooking -- 4 fouls called in 32 minutes on Michigan.
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Yeah, Nebraska isn't getting any favors, that's for sure.

Louisville and Kansas also struggling tonight.
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Add Syracuse to that list.
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