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Game # 30: Ohio State (21-7, 11-5) @ # 2 Indiana (25-4, 13-3) Game Thread; March 5, 2013 (Indiana Senior Night)
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brumdog44 Mar 5 2013, 11:26 PM Post #286
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And kudos to Craft. He was fantastic. Hit some really tough shots.
Yes, he did.
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Basically, what I've learned this year is that our players are 25-0 and our coach is 0-5.
Whatever do you mean?

The fact that he left Creek in too long, the fact that he didn't call a timeout when we were fumbling the ball around and seem panic stricken, not developing his bench throughout the year, or my favorite not using the bench as a motivator all season long when guys didn't play hard. Guys didn't flat out come to play. Is that on the coach to get them mentally ready or is that on the players? I say a little of both.

This team has hit a wall, like they have done some many times the previous years. We have played 3 bad games in row, that is not good when you are playing for a outright Big Ten Championship and the overall #1 seed in the tourney and chance to play in Dayton and Indy. Boy they fucked up a good train wreck. :banghead:
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They hit a wall like they have so many times before? You mean like the years when we had sub Big Ten talent?

Because I'm sure you don't mean last year when we won 8 of our last 9 regular season games and went to the sweet sixteen, losing to the eventual national champion in a pretty good game.
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After all that emotion we all felt and the struggles of the game tonight and squandering an opportunity...watching this Senior Night brings it all into perspective. THANK YOU SENIORS!
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"I'll always be a Hoosier until the day I die." - Victor Oladipo, April 9, 2013.
"I will forever be proud to call myself a Hoosier.” - Cody Zeller, April 10, 2013.


Indiana, our Indiana.
Indiana, we're all for you!
We will fight for the cream & crimson, for the glory of old IU!
Never daunted, we cannot falter, in the battle, we're tried & true.
Indiana, our Indiana.
Indiana, we're all for you!
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The good news is this team can still win a Big Ten title outright. The bad news is the game is at Michigan. If this team can play at the level I know they can, then I believe they get the job done in Ann Arbor. But it all comes down to which team is going to show up.
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shameful. absolutely fucking shameful. that was the performance of a team that celebrated too many accolades before tip-off and, combined, didn't know how to actually close the deal. VO will get hilites for sure...but on the whole thought one of his worst performances this season. zeller has some stats but didn't stamp his signature on the game and had bouts of matador-esque defense. was hulls in foul trouble? seemed like he was missing from the court for stretches. watford with his 3rd straight sub-par game. yogi was a freshman. will couldn't hit a free throw.

the best sequence of the nite was inspired by hollowell toward the end of the first half.

but, in the end...just shameful.
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i'm going to work before i really get pissed at this performance.

hopefully this serves to motivate for the real championship the following month. that's all i can say...
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Im tired of timeouts and commercials... I want to see the end come quickly
Dish Network DVR with the 30 sec skip feature. There is no substitute...
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They hit a wall like they have so many times before? You mean like the years when we had sub Big Ten talent?

Because I'm sure you don't mean last year when we won 8 of our last 9 regular season games and went to the sweet sixteen, losing to the eventual national champion in a pretty good game.
I may be just a coincidence. I forgot about last year. I think they willed themselves to wins down the stretch last year and that comes from toughness. They had a chip on their shoulder last year. This team lacks toughness this year.

By the way, what was our overall record last year?

Panch said it best, "Shameful". Also his entire post was well said.
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IU looked like they just weren't interested in playing the game. Presentations and accolades before the game should have been pushed to after the game. Not sure who's decision it was to have those. Glass or Crean? Yes Ohio St played great defense, but once again it just seemed there was no urgency to win the game until the last 2 min when the refs wouldn't call a foul on IU. All of IU's momentum is gone now. IU must win the B1G tournament to get that momentum back. I was getting so incredibly pissed by poor decisions with the ball, poor blockouts, and an unwillingness to have any of our three point shooters, shoot a three. I was like Bobby Knight in that Purdue half time clip. Yogi, and Zeller were about the only ones that did anything worth mention, and that was only on the offensive side of the ball. Defense was completely non-existent.
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Basically, what I've learned this year is that our players are 25-0 and our coach is 0-5.
I'm not sure what Crean had to do with it other than leaving Creek in too long. The guys fumbled the ball so much there was no way for the offense to get going. Bunch of fucking butter fingers out there tonight.
That was my point....I was being sarcastic.

Outside of Yogi, the guys we have are veterans. We had two guys who have played about 130 games at IU and are playing their last home game, two others who likely are going to be leaving for the draft and playing their last game, and another junior who played 22 minutes that has played 100 games for us.

When you have a veteran group like that, they know by this time what it takes to be ready. Sometimes that blame has to be shouldered by guys that had to actually execute.
Right. I was agreeing with you. All losses are Crean's fault, of course. Unless you actually watched the clusterfuck out there and realized that Crean has nothing to do with Oladipo, Watford, Zeller and Yogi fumbling the ball around like they are George Leach.
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Basically, what I've learned this year is that our players are 25-0 and our coach is 0-5.
I'm not sure what Crean had to do with it other than leaving Creek in too long. The guys fumbled the ball so much there was no way for the offense to get going. Bunch of fucking butter fingers out there tonight.
That was my point....I was being sarcastic.

Outside of Yogi, the guys we have are veterans. We had two guys who have played about 130 games at IU and are playing their last home game, two others who likely are going to be leaving for the draft and playing their last game, and another junior who played 22 minutes that has played 100 games for us.

When you have a veteran group like that, they know by this time what it takes to be ready. Sometimes that blame has to be shouldered by guys that had to actually execute.
Right. I was agreeing with you. All losses are Crean's fault, of course. Unless you actually watched the clusterfuck out there and realized that Crean has nothing to do with Oladipo, Watford, Zeller and Yogi fumbling the ball around like they are George Leach.
A good coach could use the jedi mind trick to make sure his players execute 100% of the time.
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They hit a wall like they have so many times before? You mean like the years when we had sub Big Ten talent?

Because I'm sure you don't mean last year when we won 8 of our last 9 regular season games and went to the sweet sixteen, losing to the eventual national champion in a pretty good game.
I may be just a coincidence. I forgot about last year. I think they willed themselves to wins down the stretch last year and that comes from toughness. They had a chip on their shoulder last year. This team lacks toughness this year.

By the way, what was our overall record last year?

Panch said it best, "Shameful". Also his entire post was well said.
Yeah, it must be coincidence if it doesn't coincide with your point.

Too much credit about heart and toughness is given when a team wins and too much blame about heart and toughness is dealt out when a team loses. This is the same team that went into Michigan State and pulled out the win the set us up for the Big Ten title and the same team that responded to the lose at Illinois by thrashing Ohio State in their house.

I guess 'heart' and 'toughness' is a fleeting thing.

When last year's team lost at Nebraska and at home against Minnesota, I don't recall calling that 'toughness'. My thoughts then were the same they were last night: they played poorly.

The biggest thing I hate about the Dan Dakich's of the world is that during a game he throws roses over everything the team in the lead is doing while basically saying the team that is behind is doing everything wrong. It doesn't work that way. The reality is the only thing that counts in basketball are the number of times you put the ball in the basket.
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The reality is the only thing that counts in basketball are the number of times you put the ball in the basket.
Not really, because you get 3 points for a shot behind the arc, and only one for a foul shot...
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Tired of the Crean bashers. He makes his share of mistakes but he is yet to take a shot, rebound, or play any defense. We have scholarship players for that....

Are more games won with coaching performances or player performances?
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