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Why we will not win the National Championship
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Mr Gray Mar 6 2013, 07:25 AM Post #1
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I am as frustrated with this team as I have been with any team in any sport ever. Losing for lack of talent is one thing, but lack of hustle and poor strategy is killing me. Here is why I think we can't cut down the nets.

* We don't know how to play physical if we aren't getting foul calls.
* We rely too heavily on the outside shot
* We don't adjust well when the shots aren't falling
* We miss too many shots around the rim, especially Zeller
* We get out hustled on the boards too often
* We don't know how to get around a ball screen without giving up a shot or the lane
* Crean doesn't know how to fire this team up. They don't seem to be self starters and a cheerleading coach doesn't seem to get it done
* Creans substitution patterns are mind boggling
* Our bench sucks. There is little chance that we can make it 6 games in a row without getting in foul trouble and going to a bench that is easy to rattle and defend.

That being said, it's on Crean to correct enough of the above to turn it around.
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I missed the game because of work. Kinda glad now. Im not getting in on the customary meltdown that has followed all 5 losses. I am concerned however with 3 straight bad performances. Well see how we bounce back. We win at Michigan Sunday I can live with this but considering what this senior class means to the program winning on their night to clinch the big ten title would have been perfect. I mean perfect. Very disappointed but life goes on.
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Not worried. I think we have as good a chance as any other team. Not ready to jump ship.

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I am as frustrated with this team as I have been with any team in any sport ever. Losing for lack of talent is one thing, but lack of hustle and poor strategy is killing me. Here is why I think we can't cut down the nets.

* We don't know how to play physical if we aren't getting foul calls.
* We rely too heavily on the outside shot
* We don't adjust well when the shots aren't falling
* We miss too many shots around the rim, especially Zeller
* We get out hustled on the boards too often
* We don't know how to get around a ball screen without giving up a shot or the lane
* Crean doesn't know how to fire this team up. They don't seem to be self starters and a cheerleading coach doesn't seem to get it done
* Creans substitution patterns are mind boggling
* Our bench sucks. There is little chance that we can make it 6 games in a row without getting in foul trouble and going to a bench that is easy to rattle and defend.

That being said, it's on Crean to correct enough of the above to turn it around.
I meant to say like.


I have noticed since Crean became our coach, that our team starts hitting a wall about mid-February. Before I thought it was a lack of talent, but this team is talented and still seems to have hit that proverbial wall. Unless something drastically changes, we will go into the big dance with seven loses and possibly losing 4 of 5. This will put us down to a 3 or 4 seed IMO. Pretty bad for a team that should be peaking about now.

I do want to ask this question: How much of this is on Crean?

We had the Big Ten outright championship in our grasp and we totally blew it. It is up to Crean to get his team prepared and up for games, especially when it looks like they are hitting the wall.

By the way, how many times has Sheehey hit double figures since the B1G has started?

How many times has Hulls hit double figures since the B1G has started?

How many times has Hulls not hit a shot during B1G game this year?

What has Watford been averaging the last 3 games since this skid?

To me, since Sheehey and Hulls have been our two most inconsistent players this year, Watford is the most important guy in that mix and if he doesn't score, then it puts pressure on Z and VO. It looks like they all were trying to do too much last night because of deficiencies.
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Wow. Win the B1G and now we have no chance and are unprepared.

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Seriously...people need to chill.

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Put your hard-hats on...the sky is falling!
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It's funny too, because if Craft doesn't hit a bunch of tough shots and we squeak out a win, everyone would be as happy as a pig in shit this morning.
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Mr Gray Mar 6 2013, 10:24 AM Post #9
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It's funny too, because if Craft doesn't hit a bunch of tough shots and we squeak out a win, everyone would be as happy as a pig in shit this morning.
the same could be said for some shots that we hit....also Craft could have missed and OSU could have out-hustled us for a rebound and put back. That happened quite a few times down the stretch last night.

Like I said...it takes 6 solid performances in a row against quality opponents (at least 5 anyway) to win the National Championship. We haven't done that all year, and the attention that we have garnered has put a bull's eye on our back..meaning that teams are studying us more and heavily preparing. This has shown in our recent performances and lack of consistent winning streaks.

I said it can be turned around...I didn't say the sky is falling. The team that has played basketball for the last few weeks won't win 6 straight games in a tourney setting.
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Yes we have to give the Suckeyes some credit, as they played very tough, but there just seemed to be a general lack of fire and killer instinct on our guys' part.

Outside of MSU games, when the chips are down we have flat out not executed up to our capabilities (v. Butler, Wisconsin, @ Illinois, @ Minnesota, and Ohio St.)...we have earned a Big 10 Championship share at least, and that is a testimony to CTC and this program.

That being said, if this team wants to accomplish the goals we all want them to, we've got to find a way to win tough, close ball games consistently, which is what will happen the deeper we get into the NCAA's.
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Couple things from this thread I disagree with.

1.) "This team relies too heavily on the outside shot." False. Shoot it. Shoot it often. This team has shooters. So many that if one or two players are off, we have 3 other shooters that can pick up the slack. What this team doesn't need to do is force the ball inside at the expense of offensive movement. Where we've gotten into trouble is when we just try to isolate a player (Zeller vs. Minnesota, Watford vs. OSU) in the post when it's clearly not working. We need to make adjustments in games and find ways to get good shots. Doesn't matter if they're layups, free throws, 15 footers, or three pointers. Take what the opponents and refs give you, but it shouldn't take 35 minutes to figure it out.

2.) "This team hits a wall in February." Maybe we've played less than stellar for a few games in February, but I think we were playing pretty well in March last year, so it must have been a weak wall. We gave Kentucky a hell of a game in the tourney and if they shoot their season average from the FT, we might even pull that out...and Kentucky was without a doubt the best team in the nation. We gave UK every bit of a game that their opponents did the rest of the way, and Kentucky was 66% from the FT line in the following 3 games, compared to 95% against IU (35-37).

3.) "We don't know how to get around a ball screen." I'm not blaming the on-ball defender here. Need better help. On several occasions in the second half, Ravenel came out to set high ball screens and Watford/Zeller just hid behind the ball screen and yet Yogi try to get through it on his own. If he did, they'd just dribble back the other way until he got caught up in the screen. Despite no help, we still held Craft to 16 foot ugly-looking jumpers or fade away banks. To Craft's credit, he made them, but against OSU, if you play bad defense and those are the shots they get, you can live with it.
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Mar 6 2013, 07:25 AM
I am as frustrated with this team as I have been with any team in any sport ever. Losing for lack of talent is one thing, but lack of hustle and poor strategy is killing me. Here is why I think we can't cut down the nets.

* We don't know how to play physical if we aren't getting foul calls.
* We rely too heavily on the outside shot
* We don't adjust well when the shots aren't falling
* We miss too many shots around the rim, especially Zeller
* We get out hustled on the boards too often
* We don't know how to get around a ball screen without giving up a shot or the lane
* Crean doesn't know how to fire this team up. They don't seem to be self starters and a cheerleading coach doesn't seem to get it done
* Creans substitution patterns are mind boggling
* Our bench sucks. There is little chance that we can make it 6 games in a row without getting in foul trouble and going to a bench that is easy to rattle and defend.

That being said, it's on Crean to correct enough of the above to turn it around.
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I have noticed since Crean became our coach, that our team starts hitting a wall about mid-February. Before I thought it was a lack of talent, but this team is talented and still seems to have hit that proverbial wall. Unless something drastically changes, we will go into the big dance with seven loses and possibly losing 4 of 5. This will put us down to a 3 or 4 seed IMO. Pretty bad for a team that should be peaking about now.

I do want to ask this question: How much of this is on Crean?

We had the Big Ten outright championship in our grasp and we totally blew it. It is up to Crean to get his team prepared and up for games, especially when it looks like they are hitting the wall.

By the way, how many times has Sheehey hit double figures since the B1G has started?

How many times has Hulls hit double figures since the B1G has started?

How many times has Hulls not hit a shot during B1G game this year?

What has Watford been averaging the last 3 games since this skid?

To me, since Sheehey and Hulls have been our two most inconsistent players this year, Watford is the most important guy in that mix and if he doesn't score, then it puts pressure on Z and VO. It looks like they all were trying to do too much last night because of deficiencies.
Actually even after that loss we are still a 1 seed in the Midwest
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By the way, how many times has Sheehey hit double figures since the B1G has started?
At least two. I can't remember that SOB missing any shots against Purdue...
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The idea that you can make a determination about whether this team will win come March because of last night's game is silly. Now they indeed may not win, after all the odds are against them, but to say they won't or can't is incredibly shortsighted.

2012 Champ - Kentucky - Lost their last game before the tournament to fucking Vanderbilt
2011 Champ - UConn - Was .500 in the Big East with just 1 road victory over a ranked team that year
2010 Champ - Duke - good resume, not much to complain about there
2009 Champ - UNC - lost their last game of the season before the tourney and had losses to unranked Maryland and unranked Boston College (at home) along the way

This year especially, no single team has separated themselves as the clear cut best team int he country, which really makes it even crazier to say IU can't win it all. They have as good a shot as anybody. If you can't see that, than you have a severe underappreciation for what this team is and what they have accomplished.
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The idea that you can make a determination about whether this team will win come March because of last night's game is silly. Now they indeed may not win, after all the odds are against them, but to say they won't or can't is incredibly shortsighted.

2012 Champ - Kentucky - Lost their last game before the tournament to fucking Vanderbilt
2011 Champ - UConn - Was .500 in the Big East with just 1 road victory over a ranked team that year
2010 Champ - Duke - good resume, not much to complain about there
2009 Champ - UNC - lost their last game of the season before the tourney and had losses to unranked Maryland and unranked Boston College (at home) along the way

This year especially, no single team has separated themselves as the clear cut best team int he country, which really makes it even crazier to say IU can't win it all. They have as good a shot as anybody. If you can't see that, than you have a severe underappreciation for what this team is and what they have accomplished.
and to add to that...we are prolly one of the only top 10 teams that has not been embarrassed with a bad loss/blowout loss. Most of the top teams have been embarrassed by a team that was absolutely terrible. IU has not had that. All of our losses have been to quality teams/teams that will make the tourney.
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