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Obviously still a hot topic, so I figured I would give it it's own thread as opposed to being interspersed across other ones. I've been thinking a lot about it, particularly because gun violence is at an all-time high in my area (Fort Wayne area) right now, so it's been flanking the news. Here are a couple of points for discussion.

1) Let's assume that we really can't stop psychos like Adam Lanza or James Holmes, and instead focus on the areas where the most damage is being done, even though they don't get the same level of news coverage? Agree?
2) I agree that criminals have too easy access to guns...the violence in my area and much more extreme in Chicago proves this. How do we limit this access without leaving law abiding citizens vulnerable and/or infringe upon their right to own and posses a firearm for protection at home or away from home?
3) What improvements/changes to the background check system would actually lead to a meaningful decrease in gun violence?
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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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So we can be expected to track all guns in a financially efficient manner but we can't track people on a terror watch list?? How does that make sense? Weren't you the person who said it was in no way feasible to track people on a terror watch list? Are there more guns in the U.S. than people on the watch list?
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Creating a single record for a firearm, once a year, is far easier than tracking an individual every single day for their entire life.

don't play dumb, here.

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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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brian, if you and I agree that our government isn't always well-intentioned and has a history of atrocities, how do we get around the fear that this gun registration list would be used against the people in a number of negative ways in the future? I'm personally not really worried about the cost if it was going to be effective, but I have a general distrust of the government and enjoy my privacy.
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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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brian, if you and I agree that our government isn't always well-intentioned and has a history of atrocities, how do we get around the fear that this gun registration list would be used against the people in a number of negative ways in the future? I'm personally not really worried about the cost if it was going to be effective, but I have a general distrust of the government and enjoy my privacy.
no worries...the gov't is already and even more equipped to use your internet habits, purchase habits, and medical records against you if they so wished.

it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy. It's simply registering something you own.

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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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brian, if you and I agree that our government isn't always well-intentioned and has a history of atrocities, how do we get around the fear that this gun registration list would be used against the people in a number of negative ways in the future? I'm personally not really worried about the cost if it was going to be effective, but I have a general distrust of the government and enjoy my privacy.
no worries...the gov't is already and even more equipped to use your internet habits, purchase habits, and medical records against you if they so wished.

it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy. It's simply registering something you own.

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just because they are already doing something, doesn't make it right. And it isn't just "registering something you own"...it is making it a requirement that you tell the government that you own something, even though you are a legal, law abiding citizen. That is the rub....certainly you can see the other side of it, where it can be seen as government intruding into your privacy.
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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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brian, if you and I agree that our government isn't always well-intentioned and has a history of atrocities, how do we get around the fear that this gun registration list would be used against the people in a number of negative ways in the future? I'm personally not really worried about the cost if it was going to be effective, but I have a general distrust of the government and enjoy my privacy.
no worries...the gov't is already and even more equipped to use your internet habits, purchase habits, and medical records against you if they so wished.

it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy. It's simply registering something you own.

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So law-abiding folks will spend more of their valuable time to comply, and criminals won't. :banghead:
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Creating a single record for a firearm, once a year, is far easier than tracking an individual every single day for their entire life.

don't play dumb, here.

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There are a lot more guns than people on the terror watch list. Nobody said tail the people every single day of there life. If the government already tracks your electronic (Internet) tendencies, why would it be so hard to track some people's email and/or transactions/travel if they are on a list?

With our technology and vast electronic tracking capabilities including all the public video now available, why do you act like they need to be followed 24/7? Talk about playing dumb....

Just curious as to why you feel it important to track hundreds of millions of guns, most of which are owned, operated, and transferred legally, but you don't feel the need to keep an eye on a couple hundred thousand of the most dangerous people (potentially) that may even use bigger/more deadly weapons than that gun. Seems kinda ass backwards to me.
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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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brian, if you and I agree that our government isn't always well-intentioned and has a history of atrocities, how do we get around the fear that this gun registration list would be used against the people in a number of negative ways in the future? I'm personally not really worried about the cost if it was going to be effective, but I have a general distrust of the government and enjoy my privacy.
no worries...the gov't is already and even more equipped to use your internet habits, purchase habits, and medical records against you if they so wished.

it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy. It's simply registering something you own.

br
So law-abiding folks will spend more of their valuable time to comply, and criminals won't. :banghead:
i'm pretty sure that the goal of a registry is to more efficiently punish those who are essentially trafficking guns to criminals. I have said all along that I want those folks to be HEAVILY punished....but I'm personally not sure that the answer is a registry, given what I believe we may be forfeiting in terms of freedom and privacy.
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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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brian, if you and I agree that our government isn't always well-intentioned and has a history of atrocities, how do we get around the fear that this gun registration list would be used against the people in a number of negative ways in the future? I'm personally not really worried about the cost if it was going to be effective, but I have a general distrust of the government and enjoy my privacy.
no worries...the gov't is already and even more equipped to use your internet habits, purchase habits, and medical records against you if they so wished.

it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy. It's simply registering something you own.

br
So law-abiding folks will spend more of their valuable time to comply, and criminals won't. :banghead:
i'm pretty sure that the goal of a registry is to more efficiently punish those who are essentially trafficking guns to criminals. I have said all along that I want those folks to be HEAVILY punished....but I'm personally not sure that the answer is a registry, given what I believe we may be forfeiting in terms of freedom and privacy.
I've agreed with you that better enforcement of existing laws and harsher punishment is what's needed. I'm talking about pounding sand in some Arizona tent prison for a few years, or making little rocks out of bigger ones on the Texas panhandle...
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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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brian, if you and I agree that our government isn't always well-intentioned and has a history of atrocities, how do we get around the fear that this gun registration list would be used against the people in a number of negative ways in the future? I'm personally not really worried about the cost if it was going to be effective, but I have a general distrust of the government and enjoy my privacy.
no worries...the gov't is already and even more equipped to use your internet habits, purchase habits, and medical records against you if they so wished.

it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy. It's simply registering something you own.

br
So law-abiding folks will spend more of their valuable time to comply, and criminals won't. :banghead:
i'm pretty sure that the goal of a registry is to more efficiently punish those who are essentially trafficking guns to criminals. I have said all along that I want those folks to be HEAVILY punished....but I'm personally not sure that the answer is a registry, given what I believe we may be forfeiting in terms of freedom and privacy.
I've agreed with you that better enforcement of existing laws and harsher punishment is what's needed. I'm talking about pounding sand in some Arizona tent prison for a few years, or making little rocks out of bigger ones on the Texas panhandle...
After they are subjected to a good healthy state sanctioned enhanced interrogation regardless of their citizenship. wtg













Oh wait. Sorry for the troll attempt. Ignore that, remain calm and carry on.
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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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brian, if you and I agree that our government isn't always well-intentioned and has a history of atrocities, how do we get around the fear that this gun registration list would be used against the people in a number of negative ways in the future? I'm personally not really worried about the cost if it was going to be effective, but I have a general distrust of the government and enjoy my privacy.
no worries...the gov't is already and even more equipped to use your internet habits, purchase habits, and medical records against you if they so wished.

it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy. It's simply registering something you own.

br
So law-abiding folks will spend more of their valuable time to comply, and criminals won't. :banghead:
i'm pretty sure that the goal of a registry is to more efficiently punish those who are essentially trafficking guns to criminals. I have said all along that I want those folks to be HEAVILY punished....but I'm personally not sure that the answer is a registry, given what I believe we may be forfeiting in terms of freedom and privacy.
I've agreed with you that better enforcement of existing laws and harsher punishment is what's needed. I'm talking about pounding sand in some Arizona tent prison for a few years, or making little rocks out of bigger ones on the Texas panhandle...
After they are subjected to a good healthy state sanctioned enhanced interrogation regardless of their citizenship. wtg













Oh wait. Sorry for the troll attempt. Ignore that, remain calm and carry on.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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require a background check for every single transfer of firearms, regardless of the two parties, and require all firearms to be licensed on an annual basis to assist in tracking lost/stolen firearms.

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So we can be expected to track all guns in a financially efficient manner but we can't track people on a terror watch list?? How does that make sense? Weren't you the person who said it was in no way feasible to track people on a terror watch list? Are there more guns in the U.S. than people on the watch list?
No, I expect we do fucking nothing and hope things change.
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Somebody is a fan of the chive
didn't follow, what is the chive?
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