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Texas 20 week abortion bill
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HoosierLars Jul 15 2013, 10:33 AM Post #61
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if it is a difficult issue for you, then why did you make the statement:

"I could see a girl hiding rape/incest due to shame, and if it comes out in week 21 she should have the legal option to abort her baby."
It sounds as if you made decision, but are now back tracking because you can't justify your own statement.



Losing more Senate seats due to the perception that "repubs are against all abortions, even in the case of rape or incest" is not a good option, IMO. Elections and politics are the way to change public policy in a meaningful way.
your original statement, which I keep quoting, wasn't political Lars...it was about rape or incest victims and their abortion timing. Come on man.....own it
Ok, I "own it." Now what was your point?
my point was that you feel that an exception should be made past 20 weeks for rape & incest, but you can't seem to explain what kind of exception, then you tried to walk your comments back.
We're talking about a new Texas law here. When the spot-light is on the mob of Democrats protesting the 20 week limit, Repubs look good and win more elections. When Repubs like you insist on removing the rape/incest exception they lose elections, which has a significant effect on public policy, and ultimately results in more liberal supreme court justices. You might win an occasional battle but ultimately you will lose the war.
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Mr Gray Jul 15 2013, 11:01 AM Post #62
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if it is a difficult issue for you, then why did you make the statement:

"I could see a girl hiding rape/incest due to shame, and if it comes out in week 21 she should have the legal option to abort her baby."
It sounds as if you made decision, but are now back tracking because you can't justify your own statement.



Losing more Senate seats due to the perception that "repubs are against all abortions, even in the case of rape or incest" is not a good option, IMO. Elections and politics are the way to change public policy in a meaningful way.
your original statement, which I keep quoting, wasn't political Lars...it was about rape or incest victims and their abortion timing. Come on man.....own it
Ok, I "own it." Now what was your point?
my point was that you feel that an exception should be made past 20 weeks for rape & incest, but you can't seem to explain what kind of exception, then you tried to walk your comments back.
I was reading somewhere the 1 out of 475 women do not know they are pregnant at 20 weeks. Since you are against abortion at any point would you be OK with a pregnant girl who is denied abortion after the twenty week mark inducing labor early and giving up the baby as a ward of the state(and to taxpayer expense)?
I would prefer the baby not be killed to anything, but I would certainly prefer that she not induce early. She would obviously have to do that somehow herself or find a rogue doctor, because I believe it's either illegal or against some sort of standards....I recall when we were going to be induced, the Dr. told us that he couldn't do it until like 39 weeks or something like that (not sure of the exact time, but it was no where near 20 weeks).

There are about 2 million couples waiting to adopt in the United States at any time, so I'm not concerned about a baby spending a lifetime as a ward of the state.
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Since you are normally pro-freedom, couldn't the women be making this decision about safety, not the government?
Yes, if we were consistent in that. Unfortunately we aren't.
So you are pro-freedom unless the tyranny helps promote your personal views?
No. If we are going to regulate the safety and sanitation of medical procedure facilities, then we need to be fair across the board. Abortion clinics should not get a pass because of the politics of the issue itself.
Except your theory tragically fails because abortions are by and large NOT causing health issues even when treated in abortion clinics. This has everything to do with your personal view on abortion as well those of the Texas legislature.

Compare the death rates of cosmetic surgery....cosmetic surgery death rates a re MUCH higher. Yet in Texas, the requirements for performing cosmetic surgeries are a joke.

http://www.measuringworth.com/DJIA_SP_NASDAQ/result.php
of course my personal views impact my outlook on the surgical center law, however not exclusively. Like I said before, I have witnesses pretty horrible conditions, and there are a lot of injuries that take place because of them that go unreported....and google won't pick that up for you brum. I'm not going to argue with you about this, because your history hear shows that you worship the god of statistics. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, but it makes it impossible to discuss certain issues with you where stats are deceptive or don't tell the entire story. this is one of those.
My response and use of numbers is in direct reply to your stance using anecdotal evidence. If that is not appropriate, I don't know what is. It is exactly how anecdotal evidence should be refuted.
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