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Minimum Wage; ..for your consumption
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HoosierLars Jul 21 2013, 11:58 PM Post #136
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Some of you have been asking Aaron detailed questions about living on minimum wage.

Here are a couple for you:
1) What should minimum wage be? (e.g. $15 or $20)
2) Who should set that rate? (e.g. the Federal government)
So I assume you are now admitting that you can't live on minimum wage.
So I assume you will refuse to answer the simple questions.
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wow. talk about backpedaling

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Imagine all of the useful projects that could be accomplished if those on welfare were out bettering society. Maybe we should require that people work for their welfare check?
That sounds kind of like the Soviet Union...

I thought you were of the opinion that companies with money in the game are more likely to use resources more productively.
Perhaps, but given that we have collectively decided to provide some level of safety net with welfare, wouldn't it be better if society got something back, and the person on the dole contributed something to the collective? Or do you think handing out free money is better?
It would be a slight step better than today. I don't think the government would do a very good job at using them in a productive manner though. They'd likely just require them to work a couple hours of community service each week. If they did much more than that, you'd see a new federal department spawning to manage these new 'employees', and I wouldn't expect it to be profitable.
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wow. talk about backpedaling

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All he did was ask a very relevant follow up question for those of you who think the minimum wage should be raised. How is that back pedaling?
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defer! defer! defer!

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Some of you have been asking Aaron detailed questions about living on minimum wage.

Here are a couple for you:
1) What should minimum wage be? (e.g. $15 or $20)
2) Who should set that rate? (e.g. the Federal government)
So I assume you are now admitting that you can't live on minimum wage.
While I really do not think it is would be fun, and would not want to try it...


The rent listed is $600.
I can find bedroom rentals for $250-400 all utilities included. So that saves $300 a month on the McDonald.s budget.
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/roo/3897611874.html

Minimum wage people are not going to be able to save $100 monthly, so that is +$100 a month

The Tulsa Transit 31 day unlimited Bus pass is $40 Monthly. With that I can Save the $150 car payment and the $100 car insurance. There is +$210 a month.

Cable is included in the room above and I can get a cheap cell phone plan on ATT for $39.99 a month, so there is +$60 off their $100 budget.

All Utilities are included so +$100 on electric


That is a quick reduction of costs from there budget of $770 without even trying hard.

Job at McDonalds.
1105.00
-$300 rent
-$40 bus pass
-$40 cell phone
-60.62 (mcdonald's lowest health insurance plan)
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$662

That leaves about $662 for the rest of your expenses on a single minimum wage job for the rest of the month. The leaves 22 dollars a day. That is a lot of ramen noodles and eating at work. Will life be good? No. Can it be done? Well maybe, as a single.

I for one do not expect a Mcdonald's minimum wage job to pay my life expenses.





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Some of you have been asking Aaron detailed questions about living on minimum wage.

Here are a couple for you:
1) What should minimum wage be? (e.g. $15 or $20)
2) Who should set that rate? (e.g. the Federal government)
So I assume you are now admitting that you can't live on minimum wage.
While I really do not think it is would be fun, and would not want to try it...


The rent listed is $600.
I can find bedroom rentals for $250-400 all utilities included. So that saves $300 a month on the McDonald.s budget.
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/roo/3897611874.html

Minimum wage people are not going to be able to save $100 monthly, so that is +$100 a month

The Tulsa Transit 31 day unlimited Bus pass is $40 Monthly. With that I can Save the $150 car payment and the $100 car insurance. There is +$210 a month.

Cable is included in the room above and I can get a cheap cell phone plan on ATT for $39.99 a month, so there is +$60 off their $100 budget.

All Utilities are included so +$100 on electric


That is a quick reduction of costs from there budget of $770 without even trying hard.

Job at McDonalds.
1105.00
-$300 rent
-$40 bus pass
-$40 cell phone
-60.62 (mcdonald's lowest health insurance plan)
____________
$662

That leaves about $662 for the rest of your expenses on a single minimum wage job for the rest of the month. The leaves 22 dollars a day. That is a lot of ramen noodles and eating at work. Will life be good? No. Can it be done? Well maybe, as a single.

I for one do not expect a Mcdonald's minimum wage job to pay my life expenses.





That's all fine and dandy except for the fact that your calculations budget on gross pay for minimum wage at 40 hrs a week.

In reality, your monthly net income would be $887.12 for minimum wage (based the tax numbers on Oklahoma, which appears to be where you found the apartment online). That's $217.88 less. So, despite the great find on the apartment and owning/living on next to nothing already, your daily expenses would be reduced to $14.80. That is not livable.

God forbid someone gets pregnant. Oh wait, that never happens right?

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Eel -- where are you getting the $60 drop in health insurance? The chart has health insurance a ridiculous $20 per month....so would the McDonald's cheapest health insurance not be a cost increase? And tat wouldn't cover copays or prescriptions.
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Some of you have been asking Aaron detailed questions about living on minimum wage.

Here are a couple for you:
1) What should minimum wage be? (e.g. $15 or $20)
2) Who should set that rate? (e.g. the Federal government)
So I assume you are now admitting that you can't live on minimum wage.
While I really do not think it is would be fun, and would not want to try it...


The rent listed is $600.
I can find bedroom rentals for $250-400 all utilities included. So that saves $300 a month on the McDonald.s budget.
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/roo/3897611874.html

Minimum wage people are not going to be able to save $100 monthly, so that is +$100 a month

The Tulsa Transit 31 day unlimited Bus pass is $40 Monthly. With that I can Save the $150 car payment and the $100 car insurance. There is +$210 a month.

Cable is included in the room above and I can get a cheap cell phone plan on ATT for $39.99 a month, so there is +$60 off their $100 budget.

All Utilities are included so +$100 on electric


That is a quick reduction of costs from there budget of $770 without even trying hard.

Job at McDonalds.
1105.00
-$300 rent
-$40 bus pass
-$40 cell phone
-60.62 (mcdonald's lowest health insurance plan)
____________
$662

That leaves about $662 for the rest of your expenses on a single minimum wage job for the rest of the month. The leaves 22 dollars a day. That is a lot of ramen noodles and eating at work. Will life be good? No. Can it be done? Well maybe, as a single.

I for one do not expect a Mcdonald's minimum wage job to pay my life expenses.





That's all fine and dandy except for the fact that your calculations budget on gross pay for minimum wage at 40 hrs a week.

In reality, your monthly net income would be $887.12 for minimum wage (based the tax numbers on Oklahoma, which appears to be where you found the apartment online). That's $217.88 less. So, despite the great find on the apartment and owning/living on next to nothing already, your daily expenses would be reduced to $14.80. That is not livable.

God forbid someone gets pregnant. Oh wait, that never happens right?

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brian, you need to bust out a calculator before you rant. The $1,105 figure was already factoring in a 12% tax rate, which is more than sufficient to use as a calculation for that income level in our tax system. The gross pay would have actually been $1,256.67 per month.
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Eel -- where are you getting the $60 drop in health insurance? The chart has health insurance a ridiculous $20 per month....so would the McDonald's cheapest health insurance not be a cost increase? And tat wouldn't cover copays or prescriptions.
All broke people are healthy, brum.

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http://www.paycheckcity.com/covaliant/netpayHRatescalculator.asp

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Bri, the chart is for net, to gross pay. However, the chart was for Illinois, not Oklahoma. Minimum wage is $8.25 in Illinois. It's $7.25 in Oklahoma, so you actually have to drop $130-$140 post tax to to monthly income.
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MMM $6 Big Macs. But hey. I need to make sure she has cable and god forbid gets pregnant
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MMM $6 Big Macs. But hey. I need to make sure she has cable and god forbid gets pregnant
Big Macs are $6 where you live?

Anyway, if I do eat at MacDonald's, I usually get the McChickens off the value menu.
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MMM $6 Big Macs. But hey. I need to make sure she has cable and god forbid gets pregnant
Big Macs are $6 where you live?

Anyway, if I do eat at MacDonald's, I usually get the McChickens off the value menu.
So you dont think that McDonalds will pass off the higher payroll onto the consumer?
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