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Minimum Wage; ..for your consumption
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Topic Started: Jul 16 2013, 01:14 PM (1,711 Views)
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IUCOLTFAN
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Aug 5 2013, 12:58 PM
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I don't know the actual numbers on either, but it would be interesting to know the "wage" difference *cough, cough*, on average, between minimum wage and what welfare recipients receive on a monthly basis. It's been reported that a single mother with 3-4 kids can access up to $60,000 in money, goods, and services. That's a bit more than minimum wage pays ;)
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Aug 5 2013, 02:29 PM
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I don't know the actual numbers on either, but it would be interesting to know the "wage" difference *cough, cough*, on average, between minimum wage and what welfare recipients receive on a monthly basis.
It's been reported that a single mother with 3-4 kids can access up to $60,000 in money, goods, and services. That's a bit more than minimum wage pays ;) The bigger societal issue is what we are (or can) do so that there are fewer single mothers out there with 3 or 4 kids.
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Aug 5 2013, 10:30 PM
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I don't know the actual numbers on either, but it would be interesting to know the "wage" difference *cough, cough*, on average, between minimum wage and what welfare recipients receive on a monthly basis.
It's been reported that a single mother with 3-4 kids can access up to $60,000 in money, goods, and services. That's a bit more than minimum wage pays ;)
The bigger societal issue is what we are (or can) do so that there are fewer single mothers out there with 3 or 4 kids. The first step would be for our elected leaders to speak honestly about it. It shouldn't be a political issue.
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brumdog44
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Aug 6 2013, 01:20 AM
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I don't know the actual numbers on either, but it would be interesting to know the "wage" difference *cough, cough*, on average, between minimum wage and what welfare recipients receive on a monthly basis.
It's been reported that a single mother with 3-4 kids can access up to $60,000 in money, goods, and services. That's a bit more than minimum wage pays ;)
The bigger societal issue is what we are (or can) do so that there are fewer single mothers out there with 3 or 4 kids.
The first step would be for our elected leaders to speak honestly about it. It shouldn't be a political issue. No one, though, does.
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IUCOLTFAN
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Aug 6 2013, 03:44 PM
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I don't know the actual numbers on either, but it would be interesting to know the "wage" difference *cough, cough*, on average, between minimum wage and what welfare recipients receive on a monthly basis.
It's been reported that a single mother with 3-4 kids can access up to $60,000 in money, goods, and services. That's a bit more than minimum wage pays ;)
The bigger societal issue is what we are (or can) do so that there are fewer single mothers out there with 3 or 4 kids.
The first step would be for our elected leaders to speak honestly about it. It shouldn't be a political issue.
No one, though, does. Maybe Al and Jesse should step up considering they are the self proclaimed leaders of the minority communities...
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eelbor
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Aug 6 2013, 04:12 PM
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this is a question that seemed to get ignored on this thread, but I think it is important to the discussion. Let's try to actually address the question with an answer instead of another question.
Your question is worded wrong. No one is saying it's the corporations responsibility to provide for the general welfare of society. We're saying it's their responsibility to provide for the general welfare of their own employees.
employees are members of society.....same question. Why are they responsible for providing for the general welfare of anyone who isn't forced to work for them?
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Studies show approximately 80 percent of Wal-Mart employees are forced to use food stamps and cost taxpayers an average of $1.02 billion in healthcare costs annually.
What you have are companies passing the cost of an employee onto the government, and subsequently onto taxpayers.
no dreach....they aren't "passing" anything...that individual is passing their own costs of living onto taxpayers.
pOtato poTAto. It is corporate welfare and you know it at some level. Walmart is as evil as corporations come.
It isn't corporate welfare at all....it's individual welfare. Walmart or whoever chooses the wage that they believe they can get employees to do the job for, the government CHOOSES to subsidize those individuals who are willing to work for low wages. If the government welfare was cut off or down, less people would be willing or able to work for low wages forcing the Walmarts of the world to raise wages in order to attract employees.
So if by some weird happening foodstamps, medicare, and section 8 housing were eliminated tomorrow, how many employees would Walmart have? If they know this, and take advantage of it, how are they not at least partially to blame?
if Walmart is paying off government officials and politicians to keep these laws in effect for their gain, then they are more than partially to blame. If they are utilizing a law to maximize their profit, they are not to blame. I know how you feel about the mortgage tax credit, but I don't think that you blame the people who have a mortgage do you? Does this mean you don't blame welfare recipients that take advantage of welfare laws? No, you blame them just like I do. I also blame mortgage interest deduction takers and walmart. All o them perpetuate the handout mentality.
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Aug 6 2013, 04:33 PM
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I don't know the actual numbers on either, but it would be interesting to know the "wage" difference *cough, cough*, on average, between minimum wage and what welfare recipients receive on a monthly basis.
It's been reported that a single mother with 3-4 kids can access up to $60,000 in money, goods, and services. That's a bit more than minimum wage pays ;)
The bigger societal issue is what we are (or can) do so that there are fewer single mothers out there with 3 or 4 kids.
The first step would be for our elected leaders to speak honestly about it. It shouldn't be a political issue.
No one, though, does.
Maybe Al and Jesse should step up considering they are the self proclaimed leaders of the minority communities... Jesse had a child outside of his marriage and failed to keep up with his child support. Not sure I would look to him to be the one taking on that issue.
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realtivelynew
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Aug 6 2013, 05:04 PM
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I don't know the actual numbers on either, but it would be interesting to know the "wage" difference *cough, cough*, on average, between minimum wage and what welfare recipients receive on a monthly basis.
It's been reported that a single mother with 3-4 kids can access up to $60,000 in money, goods, and services. That's a bit more than minimum wage pays ;)
The bigger societal issue is what we are (or can) do so that there are fewer single mothers out there with 3 or 4 kids.
The first step would be for our elected leaders to speak honestly about it. It shouldn't be a political issue.
No one, though, does.
Maybe Al and Jesse should step up considering they are the self proclaimed leaders of the minority communities...
Jesse had a child outside of his marriage and failed to keep up with his child support. Not sure I would look to him to be the one taking on that issue. Same way you can look up at him as a minister lol
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Mr Gray
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Aug 7 2013, 10:38 AM
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Your question is worded wrong. No one is saying it's the corporations responsibility to provide for the general welfare of society. We're saying it's their responsibility to provide for the general welfare of their own employees.
employees are members of society.....same question. Why are they responsible for providing for the general welfare of anyone who isn't forced to work for them?
Because of this. - Quote:
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Studies show approximately 80 percent of Wal-Mart employees are forced to use food stamps and cost taxpayers an average of $1.02 billion in healthcare costs annually.
What you have are companies passing the cost of an employee onto the government, and subsequently onto taxpayers.
no dreach....they aren't "passing" anything...that individual is passing their own costs of living onto taxpayers.
pOtato poTAto. It is corporate welfare and you know it at some level. Walmart is as evil as corporations come.
It isn't corporate welfare at all....it's individual welfare. Walmart or whoever chooses the wage that they believe they can get employees to do the job for, the government CHOOSES to subsidize those individuals who are willing to work for low wages. If the government welfare was cut off or down, less people would be willing or able to work for low wages forcing the Walmarts of the world to raise wages in order to attract employees.
So if by some weird happening foodstamps, medicare, and section 8 housing were eliminated tomorrow, how many employees would Walmart have? If they know this, and take advantage of it, how are they not at least partially to blame?
if Walmart is paying off government officials and politicians to keep these laws in effect for their gain, then they are more than partially to blame. If they are utilizing a law to maximize their profit, they are not to blame. I know how you feel about the mortgage tax credit, but I don't think that you blame the people who have a mortgage do you?
Does this mean you don't blame welfare recipients that take advantage of welfare laws? No, you blame them just like I do. I also blame mortgage interest deduction takers and walmart. All o them perpetuate the handout mentality. I actually don't blame the welfare recipients eel....except those that are doing so on a fraudulent basis. I don't think they should take the money if they don't need it or if they are able to work...etc, but I blame the politicians for using welfare handouts to buy votes and secure a nice existence for themselves on the backs of people like me and you.
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