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IUCOLTFAN Jul 27 2013, 06:53 AM Post #1
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/354556/obamacare-call-center-will-not-offer-healthcare-benefits-employees-eliana-johnson

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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/354556/obamacare-call-center-will-not-offer-healthcare-benefits-employees-eliana-johnson

:rofl: you can't make this stuff up
I saw this story....I wish it would have received more press because I think it exposes the problems with Obamacare more than anything else...or at least makes it more glaringly clear to the moderate to low information public.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/354556/obamacare-call-center-will-not-offer-healthcare-benefits-employees-eliana-johnson

:rofl: you can't make this stuff up
I saw this story....I wish it would have received more press because I think it exposes the problems with Obamacare more than anything else...or at least makes it more glaringly clear to the moderate to low information public.
If this doesn't make people understand, nothing will. The ACA is EXTREMELY flawed. The few good points of the law could have been done without the takeover of an entire system. To be quite honest, it's as absurd of a law that has ever been written. No wonder it was passed in the dead of night and some of its architects are retiring. I'd run away from this idiocy too. To put it bluntly, what a fucking nightmare.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/354556/obamacare-call-center-will-not-offer-healthcare-benefits-employees-eliana-johnson

:rofl: you can't make this stuff up
I saw this story....I wish it would have received more press because I think it exposes the problems with Obamacare more than anything else...or at least makes it more glaringly clear to the moderate to low information public.
If this doesn't make people understand, nothing will. The ACA is EXTREMELY flawed. The few good points of the law could have been done without the takeover of an entire system. To be quite honest, it's as absurd of a law that has ever been written. No wonder it was passed in the dead of night and some of its architects are retiring. I'd run away from this idiocy too. To put it bluntly, what a fucking nightmare.
Don't be too hasty. It might still be possible to right the ObamaCare ship, and make her sea-worthy...
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We had a several page thread on minimum wage workers not getting full-time employment.....I don't see this trend ending at minimum wage jobs. I really hope this isn't the new norm
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This just sounds like a lose/lose situation to me. If the call center gave health benefits to part time employees there would be an article about how part-time government employees receive special treatment by unnecessarily receiving health benefits and how that just adds to the cost of the ACA. It's politics. You can spin this however you like.
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This just sounds like a lose/lose situation to me. If the call center gave health benefits to part time employees there would be an article about how part-time government employees receive special treatment by unnecessarily receiving health benefits and how that just adds to the cost of the ACA. It's politics. You can spin this however you like.
You don't think these are being made part-time in part because of healthcare? Really?
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This just sounds like a lose/lose situation to me. If the call center gave health benefits to part time employees there would be an article about how part-time government employees receive special treatment by unnecessarily receiving health benefits and how that just adds to the cost of the ACA. It's politics. You can spin this however you like.
You don't think these are being made part-time in part because of healthcare? Really?
Oh. Well I honestly have no idea. I assume the normal process is to hire enough people to handle the call volume they expect. The article says that some positions are being made part-time, instead of full time. If the call volume expectations didn't change, then I would assume they need to hire more part-time employees to make up for the difference. The article didn't mention that, so maybe they just don't think the center will be as busy as they first projected.
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This just sounds like a lose/lose situation to me. If the call center gave health benefits to part time employees there would be an article about how part-time government employees receive special treatment by unnecessarily receiving health benefits and how that just adds to the cost of the ACA. It's politics. You can spin this however you like.
You don't think these are being made part-time in part because of healthcare? Really?
Oh. Well I honestly have no idea. I assume the normal process is to hire enough people to handle the call volume they expect. The article says that some positions are being made part-time, instead of full time. If the call volume expectations didn't change, then I would assume they need to hire more part-time employees to make up for the difference. The article didn't mention that, so maybe they just don't think the center will be as busy as they first projected.
According to the Contra Costa Times, however, “about half the jobs are part-time, with no health benefits — a stinging disappointment to workers and local politicians who believed the positions would be full-time.” The county supervisor, Karen Mitchoff, called the hiring process “a comedy of errors” and said she “never dreamed [the jobs] would be part-time.”

The Times indicates that a job posting advertised all of the jobs as full-time






Something obviously changed. I assume you don't see the irony of the ACA call center not offering it's employees healthcare? Think they will be paid enough to afford insurance without a subsidy?
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This just sounds like a lose/lose situation to me. If the call center gave health benefits to part time employees there would be an article about how part-time government employees receive special treatment by unnecessarily receiving health benefits and how that just adds to the cost of the ACA. It's politics. You can spin this however you like.
You don't think these are being made part-time in part because of healthcare? Really?
Oh. Well I honestly have no idea. I assume the normal process is to hire enough people to handle the call volume they expect. The article says that some positions are being made part-time, instead of full time. If the call volume expectations didn't change, then I would assume they need to hire more part-time employees to make up for the difference. The article didn't mention that, so maybe they just don't think the center will be as busy as they first projected.
According to the Contra Costa Times, however, “about half the jobs are part-time, with no health benefits — a stinging disappointment to workers and local politicians who believed the positions would be full-time.” The county supervisor, Karen Mitchoff, called the hiring process “a comedy of errors” and said she “never dreamed [the jobs] would be part-time.”

The Times indicates that a job posting advertised all of the jobs as full-time






Something obviously changed. I assume you don't see the irony of the ACA call center not offering it's employees healthcare? Think they will be paid enough to afford insurance without a subsidy?
Oh I absolutely see the irony. That's why I said it was a lose/lose. Either the ACA call center doesn't offer it's part time employees the healthcare they are answering calls about (irony) or they do and the Obama administration is called wasteful for giving part time employees healthcare benefits. Lose/lose.

I don't know if it's customary for part-time government employees to receive healthcare benefits. If it is, then this would obviously be even more hypocritical. Maybe someone here knows the answer to that.
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IUCOLTFAN Aug 1 2013, 06:28 AM Post #11
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This just sounds like a lose/lose situation to me. If the call center gave health benefits to part time employees there would be an article about how part-time government employees receive special treatment by unnecessarily receiving health benefits and how that just adds to the cost of the ACA. It's politics. You can spin this however you like.
You don't think these are being made part-time in part because of healthcare? Really?
Oh. Well I honestly have no idea. I assume the normal process is to hire enough people to handle the call volume they expect. The article says that some positions are being made part-time, instead of full time. If the call volume expectations didn't change, then I would assume they need to hire more part-time employees to make up for the difference. The article didn't mention that, so maybe they just don't think the center will be as busy as they first projected.
According to the Contra Costa Times, however, “about half the jobs are part-time, with no health benefits — a stinging disappointment to workers and local politicians who believed the positions would be full-time.” The county supervisor, Karen Mitchoff, called the hiring process “a comedy of errors” and said she “never dreamed [the jobs] would be part-time.”

The Times indicates that a job posting advertised all of the jobs as full-time






Something obviously changed. I assume you don't see the irony of the ACA call center not offering it's employees healthcare? Think they will be paid enough to afford insurance without a subsidy?
Oh I absolutely see the irony. That's why I said it was a lose/lose. Either the ACA call center doesn't offer it's part time employees the healthcare they are answering calls about (irony) or they do and the Obama administration is called wasteful for giving part time employees healthcare benefits. Lose/lose.

I don't know if it's customary for part-time government employees to receive healthcare benefits. If it is, then this would obviously be even more hypocritical. Maybe someone here knows the answer to that.
Why not jus offer a couple fewer jobs and make the ones offered full-time? Seems pretty simple to me.
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Because, as Dreach said, then the ACA is on the hook for health insurance costs and would then be considered wasteful when they Luke have hired part time employees. As he said, either way it doesn't look good. Personally, I would have preferred they hired full time employees because IMO the point of Obamacare is that the health of people takes precedence.
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Not to mention one of the arguments I've heard on here against minimum wage is that "any job is better than no job". Why isn't the call center be bashed for hiring all part time employees and giving more people jobs?

So like I said in the beginning, no matter what they did there's be an article out there complaining.
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Not to mention one of the arguments I've heard on here against minimum wage is that "any job is better than no job". Why isn't the call center be bashed for hiring all part time employees and giving more people jobs?

So like I said in the beginning, no matter what they did there's be an article out there complaining.
brum, dreach...come on now. It is clear to anyone who isn't hopelessly committed to Obama that this group made the move to part time employees to avoid the costs of the program that they are hired to support....utterly ridiculous! If Obamacare is providing great affordable healthcare, then why would anyone try to avoid it, and why would they receive any criticism for providing it to their employees?
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Not to mention one of the arguments I've heard on here against minimum wage is that "any job is better than no job". Why isn't the call center be bashed for hiring all part time employees and giving more people jobs?

So like I said in the beginning, no matter what they did there's be an article out there complaining.
brum, dreach...come on now. It is clear to anyone who isn't hopelessly committed to Obama that this group made the move to part time employees to avoid the costs of the program that they are hired to support....utterly ridiculous! If Obamacare is providing great affordable healthcare, then why would anyone try to avoid it, and why would they receive any criticism for providing it to their employees?
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