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| IUCOLTFAN | Aug 23 2013, 06:43 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/356498/nm-supreme-court-finds-refusing-photograph-gay-wedding-illegal-sterling-beard |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 07:08 AM Post #2 |
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Good for the Supreme Court Edited by realtivelynew, Aug 23 2013, 07:09 AM.
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 07:58 AM Post #3 |
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This is bullshit IMO. I'm not against gay marriage, but I am ABSOLUTELY against making someone provide a service to someone if they don't want to. We've had talks on here about public accommodations on here regarding smoking laws, but I can't see how photography services could ever be considered "public accommodation". Relatively, you may change your tune with the government forces you to do something that goes against your beliefs. |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 08:35 AM Post #4 |
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What if someone's beliefs is that they don't think black people or Jews are equal and hate them. Would you be ok for a business to turn them away? |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 08:43 AM Post #5 |
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yes. I believe you have the freedom to be a bigot, so long as you aren't infringing upon the freedoms of another. I, unlike eel and some others, believe that a private business should be treated like that as opposed to being treated as some sort of publicly owned facility. I can choose to exclude blacks or jews from my home if I want. |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 08:45 AM Post #6 |
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Aren't you infringing on their rights by not providing a service? Just to save time what are the other groups of people you wouldn't serve in your business? |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 08:50 AM Post #7 |
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no, you have no inherent right to receive a service from me or anyone else. That is not freedom, because it forced someone else to do something. What groups would I not serve? I serve all groups in my business. Are you against all female schools and all male clubs (golf country clubs, cigar clubs...etc)? |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 08:56 AM Post #8 |
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Yes. I am against all inclusive clubs. So you are saying you would serve gays but think others should be able to refuse service to them because they are black or gay? |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 09:06 AM Post #9 |
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yes. I choose public policies of freedom as opposed to my personal views. By example, I am against homosexuality, but do not oppose the rights of gays. I am against discrimination, but support the rights of the NAACP and the KKK to exist. I am against prostitution, but support their right to make that choice for a living. I do not wish to have my personal views forced upon anyone else, and I believe this to be a core principle of freedom. |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 09:08 AM Post #10 |
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But I thought you were against gay marriage |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 09:13 AM Post #11 |
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interesting how your mind leads you down paths of its own. What made you think that? |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 09:19 AM Post #12 |
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I don't spend a lot of time on the politics board so if I am incorrect I apologize. So I guess you are pro gay marriage. That's good. Let me ask you this. Lets say I am a waiter and a person from a race or religion walks in that I don't want to serve, should I be protected too? |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 09:27 AM Post #13 |
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you see relatively, it's dangerous to assume certain things about a person's belief based upon your perception of the person, which is what is appears that you did with me. You probably also assume that I am pro-death penalty, anti-solar power, and pro-Iraq war? All would be wrong. To clarify, I am personally against gay marriage because I personally do not believe homosexuality is right. I do not, however, feel that my views should impact the rights and freedoms of others who do not share those beliefs. I would prefer that the government not recognize any "marriages", as I don't feel that this is their role in society. Marriage is a personal commitment between people, but the government has become involved because of the associated tax breaks and other benefits. If those breaks and benefits are going to exist, then gay people should not be denied them. Your waiter question is a good one. The waiter has agreed to perform a job on behalf of the person paying him/her (employer). If part of that agreement is to serve black people, then they must do so, or terminate the agreement, which in this case means leaving the job or being fired. So yes...you are protected in that you so not have to serve that person, but the employer has the right to set the company policy and you can choose whether or not to comply. |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 09:31 AM Post #14 |
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And isn't living in America you agree that you do not discriminate against race? Or is this somehow going to be different? As for assuming, I guess telling Brian he needs to get out and see the world is kind is assuming he hasn't when he actually has? |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 09:36 AM Post #15 |
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no, I do not believe that by living in America you have to agree not to discriminate. The agreement is that they will not be denied rights and freedoms based upon their race. Do you think a person should have the right to decide not to allow white people into their home? My comment to brian is based on years of discussion and observation, not just a blind assumption, in addition to his comment that is clearly in defiance of the reality of government housing throughout the united states. Edited by Mr Gray, Aug 23 2013, 09:38 AM.
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