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NM gay wedding ruling
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Mr Gray Aug 23 2013, 11:32 AM Post #61
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Ladies night. Been awhile since you have been out huh?

Most states have completely banned this an the others that promote them rarely offer any incentive.

Actually I don't know all but I know none that do
Claims against ladies' nights under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution have failed under the state action doctrine. Similar actions have failed under the Civil Rights Act of 1871 (42 U.S.C. § 1983)

http://federal-circuits.vlex.com/vid/den-hollander-copacabana-nightclub-218687953
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Can you show where I said it is ok to offer free photography to heterosexuals only?
gladly, here is the link.

And here is exactly what was said.

I asked the following: So, if the photographers stop charging for their photography service, then you would be OK with them excluding gays?

You responded: I am pretty sure if the photographers stopped charging then they wouldn't be a business so yes, I wouldn't care.
good time for relatively to leave I guess
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eelbor Aug 23 2013, 12:19 PM Post #63
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And eel if you show a trend of charging a specific group more than others or hire a specific group more often you will get on trouble.

And please don't get into situations with nudity and sex as to groups. It's ridiculous
Nobody said anything about hiring.

As far as charging different people different amounts it happens every single day. Insurance companies can negotiate cheaper rates at doctors offices than you can for services. Why does this not get the doctor's office in trouble.

Any not a single thing was brought up about sex or nudity. I was showing that you can actively discriminate on Age and Gender when choosing who can use your business. It is not very different to include race or sexual preference
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No gray. Actual lunch date. Now what is the next fairy tale analogy are we going to use to promote bigotry!

We have used a business that takes in no revenue, a cookout, and lady's night.
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Eel the reason doctors offices can charge a different price can be because of a volume discount. But they aren't charging a black patient more than a white patient
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Just so you know. I am leaving now. So I am "not running away" ok?

And lastly, if you feel that a lady's night or a cookout at your home is equal to a restaurant putting a "no blacks" sign in their window I am truly sorry.
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Eel the reason doctors offices can charge a different price can be because of a volume discount. But they aren't charging a black patient more than a white patient
Discounts = not charging the same. If you want your company can have an IU alumni discount. Or a discount for military veterans, Or even a discount for church groups. How about a 10% discount for members of the KKK? Do you think that would be allowed? I am betting it is.
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No gray. Actual lunch date. Now what is the next fairy tale analogy are we going to use to promote bigotry!

We have used a business that takes in no revenue, a cookout, and lady's night.
nobody said anything about a business with no revenue, and I explained this in detail.....but since it presents a problem for your argument, you choose to repeat a distorted version. Once again....I'm trying to decipher your reasoning for it being ok for the photographer to offer free services to heterosexuals only.....again, could you please tell all of us why you don't define that as discrimination?
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Just so you know. I am leaving now. So I am "not running away" ok?

And lastly, if you feel that a lady's night or a cookout at your home is equal to a restaurant putting a "no blacks" sign in their window I am truly sorry.
well, by definition all of the 3 examples that you names are in fact discrimination, but you feel that only certain groups/situations are worthy of government protection from such practices. I'm merely pointing out the inconsistency of your stance and for some reason you refuse to take a fresh look and notice the error in your thinking. I mean...come in man....it isn't discrimination for my business to give away free products to whites only? Seriously?
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Eel and Aaron, as I form my opinion some more, I'm curious on your take on handicapped accessibility laws?
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Eel and Aaron, as I form my opinion some more, I'm curious on your take on handicapped accessibility laws?
My take on it is, as always, the exact opposite of Aaron's. ;) I am just arguing this one from his side today.

I have no problem with accessibility laws as long as they allow grandfathering for those places that existed before the law and can not meet code to stay in business. Aside from that I feel compliance is just the cost of doing business.
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No gray. Actual lunch date. Now what is the next fairy tale analogy are we going to use to promote bigotry!

We have used a business that takes in no revenue, a cookout, and lady's night.
nobody said anything about a business with no revenue, and I explained this in detail.....but since it presents a problem for your argument, you choose to repeat a distorted version. Once again....I'm trying to decipher your reasoning for it being ok for the photographer to offer free services to heterosexuals only.....again, could you please tell all of us why you don't define that as discrimination?
And thats where your fairy tale continues

I said i would support a photographer who gives free services for heterosexuals.

It becomes a problem that he then charges Homosexuals

Is this that hard to comprehend?

Price breaks and deals for a specific race not good

Price breaks for everyone. OK

I dont know how many times i need to repeat this.

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Eel and Aaron, as I form my opinion some more, I'm curious on your take on handicapped accessibility laws?
My take on it is, as always, the exact opposite of Aaron's. ;)


I am just arguing this one from his side today.

I have no problem with accessibility laws as long as they allow grandfathering for those places that existed before the law and can not meet code to stay in business. Aside from that I feel compliance is just the cost of doing business.
So you say that a business should be able to turn anyone away but disabled people?

What if they dont like disabled people? They should still have to serve them and have handicapped access?

Seems kind of hypocritical
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Eel and Aaron, as I form my opinion some more, I'm curious on your take on handicapped accessibility laws?
My take on it is, as always, the exact opposite of Aaron's. ;)


I am just arguing this one from his side today.

I have no problem with accessibility laws as long as they allow grandfathering for those places that existed before the law and can not meet code to stay in business. Aside from that I feel compliance is just the cost of doing business.
So you say that a business should be able to turn anyone away but disabled people?

What if they dont like disabled people? They should still have to serve them and have handicapped access?

Seems kind of hypocritical
Yep. Notice I did not say you have to serve them, you just need to give them access to the store.
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Eel and Aaron, as I form my opinion some more, I'm curious on your take on handicapped accessibility laws?
My take on it is, as always, the exact opposite of Aaron's. ;)


I am just arguing this one from his side today.

I have no problem with accessibility laws as long as they allow grandfathering for those places that existed before the law and can not meet code to stay in business. Aside from that I feel compliance is just the cost of doing business.
So you say that a business should be able to turn anyone away but disabled people?

What if they dont like disabled people? They should still have to serve them and have handicapped access?

Seems kind of hypocritical
Yep. Notice I did not say you have to serve them, you just need to give them access to the store.
Why should they have to have them in their store?
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