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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 03:50 PM Post #76 |
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You seem to be all over the place on this, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Just to clarify, if I owned a photography biz and ran a special where I advertised the following: SPECIAL. One Free photography session. Special available to heterosexuals only. That is ok and not discriminatory in your eyes, correct? |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| HoosierLars | Aug 23 2013, 03:50 PM Post #77 |
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I like it--giving the handicapped access to your establishment just so you can tell them "sorry, we don't serve your kind." :P |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 03:53 PM Post #78 |
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No that is not OK. I am not sure where you think I am all over the place with this issue when you have used family cookouts, business without revenue and ladys night. And seriously, if you wanna keep doing semantics all day please continue. You know as well as I do it is for business profits. So if you wanna hide behind the word "free" continue on. Oh and as for the "No blacks" sign at your cookout? pretty sure that wont be needed. The sheets and hoods will work about the same |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 03:54 PM Post #79 |
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And Gray, please answer the handicapped part. I am dying to see this one. |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 04:07 PM Post #80 |
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Ok, my take is a little more libertarian than eels, but something that he may actually agree with. 1st off, fully agree about grandfathering in existing facilities. 2nd, I think making all publicly funded facilities fully accessible is a no brainer...handicapped people pay taxes too. 3rd, regarding private businesses, the laws need to be reasonable. Access is one thing, but access to every amenity is different. Hotel pools are an example of that. My twist is that I think the biz should not solely be responsible for the associated costs. As a society I have always said that we have a responsibility to care for those who cannot do so on their own, which clearly includes handicapped people. Based on that, I believe additional access costs should be subsidized by the taxpaying society instead of just passed on to the business. |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 04:09 PM Post #81 |
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Wait, so now it's not ok even if the service is free? That contradicts your previous statements. |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| realtivelynew | Aug 23 2013, 04:14 PM Post #82 |
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Continue on. |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 23 2013, 04:27 PM Post #83 |
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Just make up your mind. Is it ok as long as you aren't charging for a service or not? You have given 2 opposite answers in this thread today. |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| brumdog44 | Aug 23 2013, 04:33 PM Post #84 |
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I think the whole argument doesn't really address the ruling itself. The job of the New Mexico Supreme Court is is interpret whether or not te case violated the New Mexico Human Rights Act. If it did not, then they made the proper ruling. If the law itself is something that is against federal law -- which it might be -- then it is something that should be( and let's face it, will be) heard at the Supreme Court. So it is possible tat te ruling was correct but the law itself is one that is illegal. |
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| dreachon | Aug 23 2013, 05:03 PM Post #85 |
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Excellent take on the topic and points to what I mentioned earlier. I certainly feel good about having a non-discrimination law, but legally am not sure it makes sense with all the other types of "discrimination" allowed. I know you have advocated in the past against the age discrimination performed by the NBA. Another thing I am ok with. It's a complicated law that leaves me with mixed feelings on how it should be handled legally in the United States. |
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| IUCOLTFAN | Aug 23 2013, 10:02 PM Post #86 |
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Legally forcing this photog into issuing a service is wrong, IMO. Right or wrong, the owner of a business should be allowed to run that business as they wish. It is theirs to succeed or fail. You have a choice to use someone else's services. If that person chooses to be against gays, for whatever reason, it is their choice. It is not against the law to be against gay marriage or even be a bigot. You are not guaranteed the right to someone else's services, property, or labor. |
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| dreachon | Aug 23 2013, 11:08 PM Post #87 |
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I tend to agree in that I can't imagine legally forcing a photographer to shoot a wedding. The idea of it is preposterous. Yet I can't reconcile my belief that a restaurant shouldn't be able to hang a "no blacks allowed" sign. Legally it's the same law and yet emotionally I have different opinions on it. This is a tough one for sure. |
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| Mr Gray | Aug 24 2013, 07:04 AM Post #88 |
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Eel would tell you otherwise. He believes you are guaranteed the right to go to the restaurant of your choice and force the owner to provide a smoke free environment. Many agree with him. |
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| brumdog44 | Aug 24 2013, 12:02 PM Post #89 |
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Thirty eight out of fifty states have those laws. Eel isn't in the minority on that opinion. http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/100ordlist.pdf |
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| brumdog44 | Aug 24 2013, 06:07 PM Post #90 |
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/mlb-organizes-support-group-for-players-who-identi,33587/ |
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