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NM gay wedding ruling
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Mr Gray Aug 23 2013, 03:50 PM Post #76
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No gray. Actual lunch date. Now what is the next fairy tale analogy are we going to use to promote bigotry!

We have used a business that takes in no revenue, a cookout, and lady's night.
nobody said anything about a business with no revenue, and I explained this in detail.....but since it presents a problem for your argument, you choose to repeat a distorted version. Once again....I'm trying to decipher your reasoning for it being ok for the photographer to offer free services to heterosexuals only.....again, could you please tell all of us why you don't define that as discrimination?
And thats where your fairy tale continues

I said i would support a photographer who gives free services for heterosexuals.

It becomes a problem that he then charges Homosexuals

Is this that hard to comprehend?

Price breaks and deals for a specific race not good

Price breaks for everyone. OK

I dont know how many times i need to repeat this.

You seem to be all over the place on this, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Just to clarify, if I owned a photography biz and ran a special where I advertised the following:
SPECIAL. One Free photography session. Special available to heterosexuals only.

That is ok and not discriminatory in your eyes, correct?
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Yep. Notice I did not say you have to serve them, you just need to give them access to the store.
I like it--giving the handicapped access to your establishment just so you can tell them "sorry, we don't serve your kind." :P
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No gray. Actual lunch date. Now what is the next fairy tale analogy are we going to use to promote bigotry!

We have used a business that takes in no revenue, a cookout, and lady's night.
nobody said anything about a business with no revenue, and I explained this in detail.....but since it presents a problem for your argument, you choose to repeat a distorted version. Once again....I'm trying to decipher your reasoning for it being ok for the photographer to offer free services to heterosexuals only.....again, could you please tell all of us why you don't define that as discrimination?
And thats where your fairy tale continues

I said i would support a photographer who gives free services for heterosexuals.

It becomes a problem that he then charges Homosexuals

Is this that hard to comprehend?

Price breaks and deals for a specific race not good

Price breaks for everyone. OK

I dont know how many times i need to repeat this.

You seem to be all over the place on this, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Just to clarify, if I owned a photography biz and ran a special where I advertised the following:
SPECIAL. One Free photography session. Special available to heterosexuals only.

That is ok and not discriminatory in your eyes, correct?
No that is not OK. I am not sure where you think I am all over the place with this issue when you have used family cookouts, business without revenue and ladys night.

And seriously, if you wanna keep doing semantics all day please continue. You know as well as I do it is for business profits. So if you wanna hide behind the word "free" continue on.

Oh and as for the "No blacks" sign at your cookout? pretty sure that wont be needed. The sheets and hoods will work about the same
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And Gray, please answer the handicapped part. I am dying to see this one.
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Mr Gray Aug 23 2013, 04:07 PM Post #80
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Eel and Aaron, as I form my opinion some more, I'm curious on your take on handicapped accessibility laws?
Ok, my take is a little more libertarian than eels, but something that he may actually agree with. 1st off, fully agree about grandfathering in existing facilities. 2nd, I think making all publicly funded facilities fully accessible is a no brainer...handicapped people pay taxes too. 3rd, regarding private businesses, the laws need to be reasonable. Access is one thing, but access to every amenity is different. Hotel pools are an example of that. My twist is that I think the biz should not solely be responsible for the associated costs. As a society I have always said that we have a responsibility to care for those who cannot do so on their own, which clearly includes handicapped people. Based on that, I believe additional access costs should be subsidized by the taxpaying society instead of just passed on to the business.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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No gray. Actual lunch date. Now what is the next fairy tale analogy are we going to use to promote bigotry!

We have used a business that takes in no revenue, a cookout, and lady's night.
nobody said anything about a business with no revenue, and I explained this in detail.....but since it presents a problem for your argument, you choose to repeat a distorted version. Once again....I'm trying to decipher your reasoning for it being ok for the photographer to offer free services to heterosexuals only.....again, could you please tell all of us why you don't define that as discrimination?
And thats where your fairy tale continues

I said i would support a photographer who gives free services for heterosexuals.

It becomes a problem that he then charges Homosexuals

Is this that hard to comprehend?

Price breaks and deals for a specific race not good

Price breaks for everyone. OK

I dont know how many times i need to repeat this.

You seem to be all over the place on this, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Just to clarify, if I owned a photography biz and ran a special where I advertised the following:
SPECIAL. One Free photography session. Special available to heterosexuals only.

That is ok and not discriminatory in your eyes, correct?
No that is not OK. I am not sure where you think I am all over the place with this issue when you have used family cookouts, business without revenue and ladys night.

And seriously, if you wanna keep doing semantics all day please continue. You know as well as I do it is for business profits. So if you wanna hide behind the word "free" continue on.

Oh and as for the "No blacks" sign at your cookout? pretty sure that wont be needed. The sheets and hoods will work about the same
Wait, so now it's not ok even if the service is free? That contradicts your previous statements.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Just make up your mind. Is it ok as long as you aren't charging for a service or not? You have given 2 opposite answers in this thread today.
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I think the whole argument doesn't really address the ruling itself. The job of the New Mexico Supreme Court is is interpret whether or not te case violated the New Mexico Human Rights Act. If it did not, then they made the proper ruling. If the law itself is something that is against federal law -- which it might be -- then it is something that should be( and let's face it, will be) heard at the Supreme Court. So it is possible tat te ruling was correct but the law itself is one that is illegal.
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I think the whole argument doesn't really address the ruling itself. The job of the New Mexico Supreme Court is is interpret whether or not te case violated the New Mexico Human Rights Act. If it did not, then they made the proper ruling. If the law itself is something that is against federal law -- which it might be -- then it is something that should be( and let's face it, will be) heard at the Supreme Court. So it is possible tat te ruling was correct but the law itself is one that is illegal.
Excellent take on the topic and points to what I mentioned earlier. I certainly feel good about having a non-discrimination law, but legally am not sure it makes sense with all the other types of "discrimination" allowed. I know you have advocated in the past against the age discrimination performed by the NBA. Another thing I am ok with. It's a complicated law that leaves me with mixed feelings on how it should be handled legally in the United States.
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Legally forcing this photog into issuing a service is wrong, IMO. Right or wrong, the owner of a business should be allowed to run that business as they wish. It is theirs to succeed or fail. You have a choice to use someone else's services. If that person chooses to be against gays, for whatever reason, it is their choice. It is not against the law to be against gay marriage or even be a bigot. You are not guaranteed the right to someone else's services, property, or labor.
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Legally forcing this photog into issuing a service is wrong, IMO. Right or wrong, the owner of a business should be allowed to run that business as they wish. It is theirs to succeed or fail. You have a choice to use someone else's services. If that person chooses to be against gays, for whatever reason, it is their choice. It is not against the law to be against gay marriage or even be a bigot. You are not guaranteed the right to someone else's services, property, or labor.
I tend to agree in that I can't imagine legally forcing a photographer to shoot a wedding. The idea of it is preposterous. Yet I can't reconcile my belief that a restaurant shouldn't be able to hang a "no blacks allowed" sign. Legally it's the same law and yet emotionally I have different opinions on it. This is a tough one for sure.
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You are not guaranteed the right to someone else's services, property, or labor.
Eel would tell you otherwise. He believes you are guaranteed the right to go to the restaurant of your choice and force the owner to provide a smoke free environment. Many agree with him.
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You are not guaranteed the right to someone else's services, property, or labor.
Eel would tell you otherwise. He believes you are guaranteed the right to go to the restaurant of your choice and force the owner to provide a smoke free environment. Many agree with him.
Thirty eight out of fifty states have those laws. Eel isn't in the minority on that opinion.

http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/100ordlist.pdf
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/mlb-organizes-support-group-for-players-who-identi,33587/
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