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Unions sick of ObamaCare
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sirbrianwilson Oct 25 2013, 12:08 AM Post #31
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Cap election contributions to an insignificant amount. Remove parties from the ballot. Eliminate primary elections. Force politicians to run on issues, not special interest-funded issues.

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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
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Mr Gray Oct 25 2013, 07:04 AM Post #33
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There's no reason insurance companies should be making profits higher than a modest opportunity cost.
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There's no reason insurance companies should be making profits higher than a modest opportunity cost.
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"opportunity cost" means making what a person with comparable skills would be making in another industry. That's the fundamental concept that drives the free market to minimize costs.

Brum, we agree about the insurance industry having too much clout. So if this is a fact, why would Obama get in bed with them unless his ultimate goal is to blow up the private system and force everyone to a government run, single payer system?

Note that the D's are owned by the lawyers, which is why tort reform wasn't considered for ObamaCare, as that might actually reduce costs, and make it more difficult to force the country into single payer.
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brumdog44 Oct 25 2013, 02:34 PM Post #35
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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
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There's no reason insurance companies should be making profits higher than a modest opportunity cost.
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"opportunity cost" means making what a person with comparable skills would be making in another industry. That's the fundamental concept that drives the free market to minimize costs.

Brum, we agree about the insurance industry having too much clout. So if this is a fact, why would Obama get in bed with them unless his ultimate goal is to blow up the private system and force everyone to a government run, single payer system?

Note that the D's are owned by the lawyers, which is why tort reform wasn't considered for ObamaCare, as that might actually reduce costs, and make it more difficult to force the country into single payer.
You are correct in that democrats receive more money from law firms that republicans do, while republicans receive more money from insurance companies than democrats do. However, we aren't talking about insignificant amounts.....the average republican senatorial candidate received $320,000 in campaign contributions in 2008 from law firms. So if the republicans aren't "in bed" with insurance companies, then why did they not enact tort reform when they had control of the house, senate, and presidency?
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brumdog44 Oct 25 2013, 02:48 PM Post #37
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Cap election contributions to an insignificant amount. Remove parties from the ballot. Eliminate primary elections. Force politicians to run on issues, not special interest-funded issues.

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There's no reason insurance companies should be making profits higher than a modest opportunity cost.
:wtf:
"opportunity cost" means making what a person with comparable skills would be making in another industry. That's the fundamental concept that drives the free market to minimize costs.

Brum, we agree about the insurance industry having too much clout. So if this is a fact, why would Obama get in bed with them unless his ultimate goal is to blow up the private system and force everyone to a government run, single payer system?

Note that the D's are owned by the lawyers, which is why tort reform wasn't considered for ObamaCare, as that might actually reduce costs, and make it more difficult to force the country into single payer.
You are correct in that democrats receive more money from law firms that republicans do, while republicans receive more money from insurance companies than democrats do. However, we aren't talking about insignificant amounts.....the average republican senatorial candidate received $320,000 in campaign contributions in 2008 from law firms. So if the republicans aren't "in bed" with insurance companies, then why did they not enact tort reform when they had control of the house, senate, and presidency?
At least the R's require that lawyers buy them dinner and maybe some flowers before being bent over. :P

Clearly the R's are partly to blame for the lack of improvements to our healthcare system.

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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
Are you saying that when I see the commercials for YouBid.com, and people are getting iphones and ipads for $7.52, I might not get one?
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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/23/cbs-healthcare-gov-dramatically-underestimates-costs-in-new-estimate-feature/comment-page-1/

As President Obama promises to fix HealthCare.gov, his administration is touting what it calls “improvements” in design, specifically a feature that allows you to “See Plans Now.” White House press secretary Jay Carney has said, “Americans across the country can type in their zip code and shop and browse.”

Industry analysts, such as Jonathan Wu, point to how the website lumps people only into two broad categories: “49 or under” and “50 or older.”

Wu said it’s “incredibly misleading for people that are trying to get a sense of what they’re paying.”

Prices for everyone in the 49-or-under group are based on what a 27-year-old would pay. In the 50-or-older group, prices are based on what a 50-year-old would pay.

CBS News ran the numbers for a 48-year-old in Charlotte, N.C., ineligible for subsidies. According to HealthCare.gov, she would pay $231 a month, but the actual plan on BlueCross BlueShield of North Carolina’s website costs $360, more than a 50 percent increase. The difference: BlueCross BlueShield requests your birthday before providing more accurate estimates.

The numbers for older Americans are even more striking. A 62-year-old in Charlotte looking for the same basic plan would get a price estimate on the government website of $394. The actual price is $634.
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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
The pdf file I saw listed EVERY available exchange, some higher, some lower. It took a hellishly long time to download because it was for every exchange plan in every county of the United States. In most cases it was like 18 different plans/county.

You may, in fact, now see plan prices on the healthcare.gov site without entering any personal information. For instance, I can tell you the 18 different estimated exchange rates and levels for a family plan in Wayne County, Indiana.

Instead of speculating, how about you do actual research?
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Anybody can also go the Kaiser Foundation website and calculate any subsidy they would receive based on income and number of people insured.
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Cap election contributions to an insignificant amount. Remove parties from the ballot. Eliminate primary elections. Force politicians to run on issues, not special interest-funded issues.

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I agree. But, I think we can all agree that'd be a change for the better.

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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
The pdf file I saw listed EVERY available exchange, some higher, some lower. It took a hellishly long time to download because it was for every exchange plan in every county of the United States. In most cases it was like 18 different plans/county.

You may, in fact, now see plan prices on the healthcare.gov site without entering any personal information. For instance, I can tell you the 18 different estimated exchange rates and levels for a family plan in Wayne County, Indiana.

Instead of speculating, how about you do actual research?
Whatever. Go ahead and plan your budget on those rates.
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