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Unions sick of ObamaCare
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brumdog44 Oct 26 2013, 07:35 AM Post #46
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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
The pdf file I saw listed EVERY available exchange, some higher, some lower. It took a hellishly long time to download because it was for every exchange plan in every county of the United States. In most cases it was like 18 different plans/county.

You may, in fact, now see plan prices on the healthcare.gov site without entering any personal information. For instance, I can tell you the 18 different estimated exchange rates and levels for a family plan in Wayne County, Indiana.

Instead of speculating, how about you do actual research?
Whatever. Go ahead and plan your budget on those rates.
Exactly what I expected from you.
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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
The pdf file I saw listed EVERY available exchange, some higher, some lower. It took a hellishly long time to download because it was for every exchange plan in every county of the United States. In most cases it was like 18 different plans/county.

You may, in fact, now see plan prices on the healthcare.gov site without entering any personal information. For instance, I can tell you the 18 different estimated exchange rates and levels for a family plan in Wayne County, Indiana.

Instead of speculating, how about you do actual research?
Whatever. Go ahead and plan your budget on those rates.
Exactly what I expected from you.
They are teaser rates until you give them your info. Why would I download every county in the US when no state but Indiana is relevant? You can sugar-coat this fiasco any way you like, it doesn't change the fact that more people have lost the coverage they were told they could keep than have actually signed up for coverage. Spin the numbers however you want. You are all about polls, what do the polls say about the "ACA"?
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Cap election contributions to an insignificant amount. Remove parties from the ballot. Eliminate primary elections. Force politicians to run on issues, not special interest-funded issues.

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I agree. But, I think we can all agree that'd be a change for the better.

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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
The pdf file I saw listed EVERY available exchange, some higher, some lower. It took a hellishly long time to download because it was for every exchange plan in every county of the United States. In most cases it was like 18 different plans/county.

You may, in fact, now see plan prices on the healthcare.gov site without entering any personal information. For instance, I can tell you the 18 different estimated exchange rates and levels for a family plan in Wayne County, Indiana.

Instead of speculating, how about you do actual research?
Whatever. Go ahead and plan your budget on those rates.
Exactly what I expected from you.
They are teaser rates until you give them your info. Why would I download every county in the US when no state but Indiana is relevant? You can sugar-coat this fiasco any way you like, it doesn't change the fact that more people have lost the coverage they were told they could keep than have actually signed up for coverage. Spin the numbers however you want. You are all about polls, what do the polls say about the "ACA"?
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Teaser rates, gotcha. You do realize that almost every person on the exchange will pay less than the amount listed because of the tax subsidies?

Now, if polls on Obamacare are a huge voting factor.....then why is the Republican Party sitting at 31% approval?
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Cap election contributions to an insignificant amount. Remove parties from the ballot. Eliminate primary elections. Force politicians to run on issues, not special interest-funded issues.

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I agree. But, I think we can all agree that'd be a change for the better.

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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
The pdf file I saw listed EVERY available exchange, some higher, some lower. It took a hellishly long time to download because it was for every exchange plan in every county of the United States. In most cases it was like 18 different plans/county.

You may, in fact, now see plan prices on the healthcare.gov site without entering any personal information. For instance, I can tell you the 18 different estimated exchange rates and levels for a family plan in Wayne County, Indiana.

Instead of speculating, how about you do actual research?
Whatever. Go ahead and plan your budget on those rates.
Exactly what I expected from you.
They are teaser rates until you give them your info. Why would I download every county in the US when no state but Indiana is relevant? You can sugar-coat this fiasco any way you like, it doesn't change the fact that more people have lost the coverage they were told they could keep than have actually signed up for coverage. Spin the numbers however you want. You are all about polls, what do the polls say about the "ACA"?
:facepalm:
Teaser rates, gotcha. You do realize that almost every person on the exchange will pay less than the amount listed because of the tax subsidies?

Now, if polls on Obamacare are a huge voting factor.....then why is the Republican Party sitting at 31% approval?
2 reasons. There are two competing versions of "the Republican Party" but when they are simplified and lumped together like you are doing, it appears that nobody likes any of them. The reality is that each side of the party doesn't like the other.

The 2nd reason has been covered to death, but I can t recall if you believe it or not. The media bias.
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Blame the media. It sure has worked wonders, hasn't it? For a party who says they are tired of people playing the victim, they sure don't have a problem doing it.
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Blame the media. It sure has worked wonders, hasn't it? For a party who says they are tired of people playing the victim, they sure don't have a problem doing it.
Did I say it was a solution? No, I said it is a problem which is true. It does no good to pretend that it isn't an issue. I realize that your solution is for them to say one thing to get elected and then do the opposite.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Blame the media. It sure has worked wonders, hasn't it? For a party who says they are tired of people playing the victim, they sure don't have a problem doing it.
Did I say it was a solution? No, I said it is a problem which is true. It does no good to pretend that it isn't an issue. I realize that your solution is for them to say one thing to get elected and then do the opposite.
They didn't run on defunding Obamacare. They ran on repealing it. The whole 'defunding' strategy put them farther away from their goal.
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Blame the media. It sure has worked wonders, hasn't it? For a party who says they are tired of people playing the victim, they sure don't have a problem doing it.
Did I say it was a solution? No, I said it is a problem which is true. It does no good to pretend that it isn't an issue. I realize that your solution is for them to say one thing to get elected and then do the opposite.
They didn't run on defunding Obamacare. They ran on repealing it. The whole 'defunding' strategy put them farther away from their goal.
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Blame the media. It sure has worked wonders, hasn't it? For a party who says they are tired of people playing the victim, they sure don't have a problem doing it.
Did I say it was a solution? No, I said it is a problem which is true. It does no good to pretend that it isn't an issue. I realize that your solution is for them to say one thing to get elected and then do the opposite.
They didn't run on defunding Obamacare. They ran on repealing it. The whole 'defunding' strategy put them farther away from their goal.
There is no way that the average voter knows the difference or cares about the difference between repealing and defunding. They just know they either want it gone or they don't.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Blame the media. It sure has worked wonders, hasn't it? For a party who says they are tired of people playing the victim, they sure don't have a problem doing it.
Did I say it was a solution? No, I said it is a problem which is true. It does no good to pretend that it isn't an issue. I realize that your solution is for them to say one thing to get elected and then do the opposite.
They didn't run on defunding Obamacare. They ran on repealing it. The whole 'defunding' strategy put them farther away from their goal.
There is no way that the average voter knows the difference or cares about the difference between repealing and defunding. They just know they either want it gone or they don't.
If they don't know the difference between repealing and defunding, honestly I'm not all that interested in their ability to form an honest opinion on its merits in the first place.
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I think the biggest question is whether we should go with Obamacare or the ACA.

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Blame the media. It sure has worked wonders, hasn't it? For a party who says they are tired of people playing the victim, they sure don't have a problem doing it.
Did I say it was a solution? No, I said it is a problem which is true. It does no good to pretend that it isn't an issue. I realize that your solution is for them to say one thing to get elected and then do the opposite.
They didn't run on defunding Obamacare. They ran on repealing it. The whole 'defunding' strategy put them farther away from their goal.
There is no way that the average voter knows the difference or cares about the difference between repealing and defunding. They just know they either want it gone or they don't.
If they don't know the difference between repealing and defunding, honestly I'm not all that interested in their ability to form an honest opinion on its merits in the first place.
I can't disagree there. Right now many are against it because the website sucks. You haven't seen me rail on the website on here for a reason. I know a website can be fixed, but the law still sucks. Most Americans wouldn't look at it like that.
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I didn't realize you could get an actual quote without enrolling.
The quotes listed were for two age brackets -- something like 27 years old and then 50 years old. Can't remember where I found the link, if I find it I'll post.
Saw a story on that. It's a teaser. You are getting the lowest possible price for a 27 yr old and the lowest possible price for a 50 yr old. The true prices are much higher once you start giving your real age and info. The prices you are seeing are for the absolute best case scenarios.....I wouldn't be planning my budget off those teaser numbers.
The pdf file I saw listed EVERY available exchange, some higher, some lower. It took a hellishly long time to download because it was for every exchange plan in every county of the United States. In most cases it was like 18 different plans/county.

You may, in fact, now see plan prices on the healthcare.gov site without entering any personal information. For instance, I can tell you the 18 different estimated exchange rates and levels for a family plan in Wayne County, Indiana.

Instead of speculating, how about you do actual research?
Whatever. Go ahead and plan your budget on those rates.
Exactly what I expected from you.
They are teaser rates until you give them your info. Why would I download every county in the US when no state but Indiana is relevant? You can sugar-coat this fiasco any way you like, it doesn't change the fact that more people have lost the coverage they were told they could keep than have actually signed up for coverage. Spin the numbers however you want. You are all about polls, what do the polls say about the "ACA"?
:facepalm:
Teaser rates, gotcha. You do realize that almost every person on the exchange will pay less than the amount listed because of the tax subsidies?

Now, if polls on Obamacare are a huge voting factor.....then why is the Republican Party sitting at 31% approval?
Yep, the ACA is the Republicans fault.
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