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brumdog44 Oct 28 2013, 09:18 PM Post #91
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/florida-womans-insurance-rate-increases-10x-under-obamacare_764837.html

"For many, their introduction to the Affordable Care Act has been negative: A broken website, and now cancellation notices from insurance companies, followed by sticker shock over higher prices for the new plans," says a CBS reporter. "It's directly at odds from repeated assurances from the president."

Obama is quoted as saying, "If you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you."

"But people across the country are finding out they're losing their existing insurance plans under Obamacare," says the reporter. "In Florida, at least 300,000 people are losing coverage."

"When I got this bill, I was outraged," CBS quotes a 56-year-old Florida resident who got dropped from her health care plan.

Her new plan will be 10 times higher than what she's paying now, jumping from $54 a month to $591.

"What I have right now is what I'm happy with, and I just want to know why I can't keep what I have," says the woman. "Why do I have to be forced into something else?"


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Brum deserves something different than one, as he posted two liberal op-ed pieces. Ummmm.... maybe 0.3
Noticed that. From the guy whe face palms everyone else for posting op-eds? What happened to him not relying on op-eds for his news? :facepalm:
Two Fox News pieces, and one from the Center for Policy research. I'm sorry if Fox News is now too liberal for you and also that you have no idea what the center for policy research is.

I'm sorry if it's not up to the standards of the "Weekly Standard" link Colt posted -- which is edited by Fucking William Kristol, who started the Project for Republican Future and chief of staff for Dan Quayle when he was vice president.

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Hey genius, the Weekly Standard link is a video of a CBS story.
Hey Einstein, since when is 1+1+1 = 1?
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/28/opinion/carroll-gop-obamacare-hypocrisy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/28/opinion/carroll-gop-obamacare-hypocrisy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
You have got to be fucking kidding me brum. Yeah....keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem because they obviously did a bang up job with the $600 million we gave them for the website. Unbelievable.
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brum and others on here who tend to favor Obama and/or want to give him a pass on this ACA issue...I would like for you to watch this clip and give me your take on the issue. Yes, it's a Fox News clip, yes Fox News is conservative...there, that's out of the way, now maybe we can focus on what I believe are some very good points made here by Meagan.

[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-uFnjha1I[/utube]
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/white-house-knew-millions-couldnt-101800242.html
President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it.

But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.
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According to the Obama admin, this train may have a "few glitches."
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brum and others on here who tend to favor Obama and/or want to give him a pass on this ACA issue...I would like for you to watch this clip and give me your take on the issue. Yes, it's a Fox News clip, yes Fox News is conservative...there, that's out of the way, now maybe we can focus on what I believe are some very good points made here by Meagan.

[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-uFnjha1I[/utube]
I will respond to the clip but will have to do so later -- don't know if it's my computer or the website, but right now the video keeps freezing up. I've gotten about 4 minutes in so far but it keeps freezing.
The response you will get will be in PM as I'm going to take a break from this forum. I don't like at this point where it is at -- we are just monkeys flinging poo at this point. Right now it's basically just Lars, Colt, you and me....I don't have a whole lot of interest in being the one liberal guy on a Fox News panel. I think that the other guys who have left the forum already -- be it conservative, moderate, or liberal -- had the right idea.
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brum and others on here who tend to favor Obama and/or want to give him a pass on this ACA issue...I would like for you to watch this clip and give me your take on the issue. Yes, it's a Fox News clip, yes Fox News is conservative...there, that's out of the way, now maybe we can focus on what I believe are some very good points made here by Meagan.

[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-uFnjha1I[/utube]
I will respond to the clip but will have to do so later -- don't know if it's my computer or the website, but right now the video keeps freezing up. I've gotten about 4 minutes in so far but it keeps freezing.
The response you will get will be in PM as I'm going to take a break from this forum. I don't like at this point where it is at -- we are just monkeys flinging poo at this point. Right now it's basically just Lars, Colt, you and me....I don't have a whole lot of interest in being the one liberal guy on a Fox News panel. I think that the other guys who have left the forum already -- be it conservative, moderate, or liberal -- had the right idea.
Sounds like you might have picked up a virus from the ObamaCare website...

I don't blame you for feeling frustrated by backing a guy who knows how to campaign but doesn't know how to get any real task accomplished. But, hey, you won, and it's about time to celebrate the one year anniversary of beating a guy with some real talent.
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/23352031-452/obamacare-jacks-up-her-insurance.html

And the irony of her situation is not lost on her. In a recent email addressed to her former boss, Illinois Congressman Bill Foster, and other Democratic colleagues, she wrote:

“I spent two years defending Obamacare. I had constituents scream at me, spit at me and call me names that I can’t put in print. The congressman was not re-elected in 2010 mainly because of the anti-Obamacare anger. When the congressman was not re-elected, I also (along with the rest of our staff) lost my job. I was upset that because of the health care issue, I didn’t have a job anymore but still defended Obamacare because it would make health care available to everyone at, what I assumed, would be an affordable price. I have now learned that I was wrong. Very wrong.”

When Klinkhamer lost her congressional job, she had to buy an individual policy on the open market.

Three years ago, it was $225 a month with a $2,500 deductible. Each year it went up a little to, as of Sept. 1, $291 with a $3,500 deductible. Then, a few weeks ago, she got a letter.

“Blue Cross,” she said, “stated my current coverage would expire on Dec. 31, and here are my options: I can have a plan with similar benefits for $647.12 [or] I can have a plan with similar [but higher] pricing for $322.32 but with a $6,500 deductible.”

She went on, “Blue Cross also tells me that if I don’t pick one of the options, they will just assume I want the one for $647. ... Someone please tell me why my premium in January will be $356 more than in December?”

As UCLA Public Policy expert Dr. Gerald F. Kominski told CBS News this week, “Half of the 14 million people who buy insurance on their own are not going to keep the policies they previously had.”

Part of the reason those policies will be more expensive, he explained, is that Obamacare is requiring insurers to offer “a better product with better protection.”

But right now Sue Klinkhamer, no novice to government or public policy, isn’t among them.

“I am a Democrat and I believe in health care for all,” she said.

“And I was excited that previously uninsured people could now get insurance on the open market. But this is not affordable to me.”

Klinkhamer suggests renaming the Affordable Care Act.

“Just call it,” she said dryly, “the Available Care Act.”




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Obama - Remarks to AFL - CIO
"I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care plan. The United States of America--the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent--14 percent of its gross national product on health care and cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody and that's what Jim is talking about when he says, 'Everybody in. Nobody out.' A single payer health care credit--universal healthcare credit. That's what I'd like to see, but as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House and we've got to take back the Senate and we've got to take back the House."
Obama - Remarks - 8/4/07

"This is a two trillion dollar part of our economy and it is my belief that it's not just politically but economically it is better for us to start getting a system in place--a universal healthcare system signed into law by the end of my first term as president and build off that system to further to make it more rational..."
"By the way, Canada did not start immediately with a single payer system. They had a similar transition step. "
Obama- New Hampshire Public Radio 11/21/07

OBAMA: It's a transitional system building on the existing systems that we have.
HOST: Transitional to what?
OBAMA: Transitional, hopefully, because the system is currently a patchwork of inefficiency that over time I would want to see Medicaid, Medicare, the Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)--all those integrated more effectively.
Obama - Public Remarks 4/3/07

"Let's say that I proposed a plan that moved to a single payer system--Let's say Medicare plus. Essentially, everybody can buy Medicare, for example..."
"Transitioning a system is a very difficult and costly and lengthy enterprise. It's not like you can turn on a switch and you go from one system to another. So it's possible that up front, you wouldn't need not just-- you might need an additional ninety or a hundred billion dollars a year."
Obama - (SEIU Healthcare Forum) - 3/24/07

"But I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.."
Obama - Public Remarks - 1/27/05

"There's no denying that part of the solution in the health care arena as we transition and deal with the legacy systems that we've inherited will probably require some additional money."
Obama - Remarks to American Medical Association - 6/15/2009

"The public option is not your enemy. It is your friend...Let me also address an illegitimate concern that is being put forward by those who are claiming a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single payer system."
Obama - (SEIU Healthcare Forum) - 3/24/07

"My commitment is to make sure we've got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as president..."
"I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can't go through their employers to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort...but I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.."
Rep. Barney Frank (D - MA) - 7/27/09

"I think if we get a good public option, it could lead to single payer and that's the best way to reach single payer."
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D - IL) - 4/18/09

"And next to me was a guy from the insurance company who then argued against the public health insurance option saying, 'It wouldn't let private insurance compete--that a public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single payer.' He was right. The man was right."
Obama - Public Remarks

"Nobody is talking about some government take over of health care."



And everyone was "shocked" when Rep Wilson blurted out "You Lie"?
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It's not surprising that Obama is trying to take over more of the economy--that's what leftists want to do. Leftists *cough* Brum *cough* truly believe that economic and social problems can best be solved by the government. What's surprising is the lack of coverage the MSM has given his past statements and positions.
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It's not surprising that Obama is trying to take over more of the economy--that's what leftists want to do. Leftists *cough* Brum *cough* truly believe that economic and social problems can best be solved by the government. What's surprising is the lack of coverage the MSM has given his past statements and positions.
I'm not surprised that Brum has decided to leave this thread. I'd run as far away as possible from this pile of shit too.

You know the old saying: If you wanna piss off a conservative, lie to him. If you wanna piss off a liberal, tell him the truth.

The truth comes out and no signs of mongo, sir bri, or Brum.......real surprising.
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It's not surprising that Obama is trying to take over more of the economy--that's what leftists want to do. Leftists *cough* Brum *cough* truly believe that economic and social problems can best be solved by the government. What's surprising is the lack of coverage the MSM has given his past statements and positions.
I'm not surprised that Brum has decided to leave this thread. I'd run as far away as possible from this pile of shit too.

You know the old saying: If you wanna piss off a conservative, lie to him. If you wanna piss off a liberal, tell him the truth.

The truth comes out and no signs of mongo, sir bri, or Brum.......real surprising.
:P No, I've never heard that one, and I like it.

I like how Brum tried to play it like this forum has become too unbalanced, and it's time to take a break from it. Sadly, we can't take a break from the Obama admin...
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