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We've all said that most of them are good and I've pledged to post some positive stories as well after Lars pointed out I only comment on negative stories. Here's a great one.

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/27481410/salvation-army-revisiting-shelter-policy-after-family-turned-away-due-to-age-of-son
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Awesome--thanks for posting!
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Ok. Here we go. Guy comes into a synagogue at 1:30 in the morning, stabs a student who was studying and threatens everyone else. Cops approach slowly from the a distance, repeatedly shouting instructions and attempting to deescalate. The guy puts the knife down, but then runs back to pick it up as the officer approaches to arrest him. Eventually, ONE shot is fired. The man eventually dies. One could even say the police showed too much leeway in this case, but in the end this, to me, is 100x better than what we have seen in other situations recently. There are two videos in the article and the second shows officers on the scene immediately putting medical gloves on to administer aid. Good job, boys.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/09/cops-shoot-stabbing-suspect-inside-synagogue/
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Another good story, but why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive? He just stabbed an innocent student, and is clearly a defective human being who is just contributing to global warming. Ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but what would we done with this guy if he had recovered?
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Ok. Here we go. Guy comes into a synagogue at 1:30 in the morning, stabs a student who was studying and threatens everyone else. Cops approach slowly from the a distance, repeatedly shouting instructions and attempting to deescalate. The guy puts the knife down, but then runs back to pick it up as the officer approaches to arrest him. Eventually, ONE shot is fired. The man eventually dies. One could even say the police showed too much leeway in this case, but in the end this, to me, is 100x better than what we have seen in other situations recently. There are two videos in the article and the second shows officers on the scene immediately putting medical gloves on to administer aid. Good job, boys.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/09/cops-shoot-stabbing-suspect-inside-synagogue/
racists. B)
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Ok. Here we go. Guy comes into a synagogue at 1:30 in the morning, stabs a student who was studying and threatens everyone else. Cops approach slowly from the a distance, repeatedly shouting instructions and attempting to deescalate. The guy puts the knife down, but then runs back to pick it up as the officer approaches to arrest him. Eventually, ONE shot is fired. The man eventually dies. One could even say the police showed too much leeway in this case, but in the end this, to me, is 100x better than what we have seen in other situations recently. There are two videos in the article and the second shows officers on the scene immediately putting medical gloves on to administer aid. Good job, boys.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/09/cops-shoot-stabbing-suspect-inside-synagogue/
here is a very good take that I hope you will take into account when considering your own potential bias dreach.

"So how was this described in the press? You can look at the Seattle PI where Peters is described as a knife-wielding man who was fatally shot by police. Haaretz describes him as the assailant who was shot by one of the officers.

But do you notice what is missing from the newspaper report above, as well as others online and the coverage on CNN today? At no point in the early coverage did I once see anyone writing or hear anyone in the media saying, a white police officer shot and killed a black suspect today in a New York synagogue.


Guess what? That’s exactly what happened. But unlike the shooting of Michael Brown and the death of Eric Garner, where that was the lead in virtually every single news report you can find, not one source said it coming out of the gate today. Why? Because it doesn’t fit the ongoing theme of narrative journalism.

there are a number of obvious aspects to this story which make it quite unappealing to the media. First of all, the stabbing victim was Jewish and stories about people attacking Jews aren’t exactly a high priority in the MSM. Second, the attacker who wound up being shot isn’t going to make for a very sympathetic figure given the moment by moment video of the event which is available to the public. And perhaps most importantly, the actions of the responding officers is a textbook case of excellent police work… the same sort that goes on every single day in cities around the nation.

That’s how cops deal with these encounters all the time. It’s a classic case of good police work and the rest of the people studying at the synagogue were saved. So I assume that we’ll see the media going on and on for weeks now to provide balanced coverage, talking about how well the cops did their job, right?

Pull the other one. It’s got bells on it."


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/09/media-coverage-of-the-calvin-peters-synagogue-shooting-should-prove-informative/
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Ok. Here we go. Guy comes into a synagogue at 1:30 in the morning, stabs a student who was studying and threatens everyone else. Cops approach slowly from the a distance, repeatedly shouting instructions and attempting to deescalate. The guy puts the knife down, but then runs back to pick it up as the officer approaches to arrest him. Eventually, ONE shot is fired. The man eventually dies. One could even say the police showed too much leeway in this case, but in the end this, to me, is 100x better than what we have seen in other situations recently. There are two videos in the article and the second shows officers on the scene immediately putting medical gloves on to administer aid. Good job, boys.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/09/cops-shoot-stabbing-suspect-inside-synagogue/
here is a very good take that I hope you will take into account when considering your own potential bias dreach.

"So how was this described in the press? You can look at the Seattle PI where Peters is described as a knife-wielding man who was fatally shot by police. Haaretz describes him as the assailant who was shot by one of the officers.

But do you notice what is missing from the newspaper report above, as well as others online and the coverage on CNN today? At no point in the early coverage did I once see anyone writing or hear anyone in the media saying, a white police officer shot and killed a black suspect today in a New York synagogue.


Guess what? That’s exactly what happened. But unlike the shooting of Michael Brown and the death of Eric Garner, where that was the lead in virtually every single news report you can find, not one source said it coming out of the gate today. Why? Because it doesn’t fit the ongoing theme of narrative journalism.

there are a number of obvious aspects to this story which make it quite unappealing to the media. First of all, the stabbing victim was Jewish and stories about people attacking Jews aren’t exactly a high priority in the MSM. Second, the attacker who wound up being shot isn’t going to make for a very sympathetic figure given the moment by moment video of the event which is available to the public. And perhaps most importantly, the actions of the responding officers is a textbook case of excellent police work… the same sort that goes on every single day in cities around the nation.

That’s how cops deal with these encounters all the time. It’s a classic case of good police work and the rest of the people studying at the synagogue were saved. So I assume that we’ll see the media going on and on for weeks now to provide balanced coverage, talking about how well the cops did their job, right?

Pull the other one. It’s got bells on it."


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/09/media-coverage-of-the-calvin-peters-synagogue-shooting-should-prove-informative/
Yeah I def agree. I think the biggest diff is that there really isn't any controversy here because the police did an excellent job. It still doesn't mean there isn't a problem in the way minorities are treated by police in comparison to whites more generally, but the article points out the things Lars also pointed out to me. We've spent a lot of time bashing police, we should spend time commending them as well.
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Ok. Here we go. Guy comes into a synagogue at 1:30 in the morning, stabs a student who was studying and threatens everyone else. Cops approach slowly from the a distance, repeatedly shouting instructions and attempting to deescalate. The guy puts the knife down, but then runs back to pick it up as the officer approaches to arrest him. Eventually, ONE shot is fired. The man eventually dies. One could even say the police showed too much leeway in this case, but in the end this, to me, is 100x better than what we have seen in other situations recently. There are two videos in the article and the second shows officers on the scene immediately putting medical gloves on to administer aid. Good job, boys.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/09/cops-shoot-stabbing-suspect-inside-synagogue/
here is a very good take that I hope you will take into account when considering your own potential bias dreach.

"So how was this described in the press? You can look at the Seattle PI where Peters is described as a knife-wielding man who was fatally shot by police. Haaretz describes him as the assailant who was shot by one of the officers.

But do you notice what is missing from the newspaper report above, as well as others online and the coverage on CNN today? At no point in the early coverage did I once see anyone writing or hear anyone in the media saying, a white police officer shot and killed a black suspect today in a New York synagogue.


Guess what? That’s exactly what happened. But unlike the shooting of Michael Brown and the death of Eric Garner, where that was the lead in virtually every single news report you can find, not one source said it coming out of the gate today. Why? Because it doesn’t fit the ongoing theme of narrative journalism.

there are a number of obvious aspects to this story which make it quite unappealing to the media. First of all, the stabbing victim was Jewish and stories about people attacking Jews aren’t exactly a high priority in the MSM. Second, the attacker who wound up being shot isn’t going to make for a very sympathetic figure given the moment by moment video of the event which is available to the public. And perhaps most importantly, the actions of the responding officers is a textbook case of excellent police work… the same sort that goes on every single day in cities around the nation.

That’s how cops deal with these encounters all the time. It’s a classic case of good police work and the rest of the people studying at the synagogue were saved. So I assume that we’ll see the media going on and on for weeks now to provide balanced coverage, talking about how well the cops did their job, right?

Pull the other one. It’s got bells on it."


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/09/media-coverage-of-the-calvin-peters-synagogue-shooting-should-prove-informative/
Yeah I def agree. I think the biggest diff is that there really isn't any controversy here because the police did an excellent job. It still doesn't mean there isn't a problem in the way minorities are treated by police in comparison to whites more generally, but the article points out the things Lars also pointed out to me. We've spent a lot of time bashing police, we should spend time commending them as well.
Thanks again for posting a positive story like this. I'll also try to be more objective when looking at police related stories.
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Another good story, but why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive? He just stabbed an innocent student, and is clearly a defective human being who is just contributing to global warming. Ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but what would we done with this guy if he had recovered?
I don't recall as it's been awhile since we've talked about it....are you for or against capital punishment?

I am for it....but for heinous crimes AND conviction.

Aaron -- as I know you are against capital punishment -- do you not have a problem with this?
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Gotta love this! [utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlnxajQrL8w&list=PLuPRchQmZxv-G1aKomXjCMGzChMmMPsz-[/utube]
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Another good story, but why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive? He just stabbed an innocent student, and is clearly a defective human being who is just contributing to global warming. Ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but what would we done with this guy if he had recovered?
I don't recall as it's been awhile since we've talked about it....are you for or against capital punishment?

I am for it....but for heinous crimes AND conviction.

Aaron -- as I know you are against capital punishment -- do you not have a problem with this?
a problem with what?
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Another good story, but why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive? He just stabbed an innocent student, and is clearly a defective human being who is just contributing to global warming. Ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but what would we done with this guy if he had recovered?
I don't recall as it's been awhile since we've talked about it....are you for or against capital punishment?

I am for it....but for heinous crimes AND conviction.

Aaron -- as I know you are against capital punishment -- do you not have a problem with this?
Yeah, I know we have rules to protect the innocent and all that, but when a lunatic like this kills someone in cold blood and we're 100% certain he did it, we most likely incarcerate him for life in some type of prison. If it's a mental institution, you're putting lots of people at risk everyday. The world is better off with this guy dead. There, I said it! (in the voice of Mark Levin)
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Another good story, but why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive? He just stabbed an innocent student, and is clearly a defective human being who is just contributing to global warming. Ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but what would we done with this guy if he had recovered?
I don't recall as it's been awhile since we've talked about it....are you for or against capital punishment?

I am for it....but for heinous crimes AND conviction.

Aaron -- as I know you are against capital punishment -- do you not have a problem with this?
a problem with what?
A problem with a person who is a non-imminent threat dieing through police action while being arrested.

I had a problem with the statement that Lars had of 'why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive' (and I know Lars is just being hyperbolic with the statement, but still) and I'm in favor of capital punishment. I would assume that if I were not in favor of capital punishment, I would have a huge problem with it.

One note -- I posted after I watched the video. After watching it, the threat level is a little higher than I thought but still not at a level that I would consider as a need to kill. I'm still not understanding why dis enabling but not fatal shots (I.e., shots toward the legs) aren't taken in these circumstances. It would be different if the armed man had a gun instead of a knife.
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Another good story, but why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive? He just stabbed an innocent student, and is clearly a defective human being who is just contributing to global warming. Ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but what would we done with this guy if he had recovered?
I don't recall as it's been awhile since we've talked about it....are you for or against capital punishment?

I am for it....but for heinous crimes AND conviction.

Aaron -- as I know you are against capital punishment -- do you not have a problem with this?
Yeah, I know we have rules to protect the innocent and all that, but when a lunatic like this kills someone in cold blood and we're 100% certain he did it, we most likely incarcerate him for life in some type of prison. If it's a mental institution, you're putting lots of people at risk everyday. The world is better off with this guy dead. There, I said it! (in the voice of Mark Levin)
But that shouldn't be up to a police officer to decide -- whether a criminal lives or die because of guilt and/or actions. I understand if the shooting was necessary for self defense and to protect the public from damage, but it seemed in this case that the situation if handled properly would not have ended with the suspect dead....that's not always the case, but here I think it most definitely was.
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Another good story, but why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive? He just stabbed an innocent student, and is clearly a defective human being who is just contributing to global warming. Ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but what would we done with this guy if he had recovered?
I don't recall as it's been awhile since we've talked about it....are you for or against capital punishment?

I am for it....but for heinous crimes AND conviction.

Aaron -- as I know you are against capital punishment -- do you not have a problem with this?
a problem with what?
A problem with a person who is a non-imminent threat dieing through police action while being arrested.

I had a problem with the statement that Lars had of 'why was anyone in a hurry to keep this guy alive' (and I know Lars is just being hyperbolic with the statement, but still) and I'm in favor of capital punishment. I would assume that if I were not in favor of capital punishment, I would have a huge problem with it.

One note -- I posted after I watched the video. After watching it, the threat level is a little higher than I thought but still not at a level that I would consider as a need to kill. I'm still not understanding why dis enabling but not fatal shots (I.e., shots toward the legs) aren't taken in these circumstances. It would be different if the armed man had a gun instead of a knife.
Cops are trained to only fire their weapons with the intent to kill. Disarming shots to arms/legs are much more likely to miss the target and harm the public. I think that's probably the right way to go.

One thing you can't see in the video is that the report says the attacker supposedly lunged at an officer with the knife when the shot was fired. Can't see the lunge in the video so you'd have to trust the report, but if true then that would obviously constitute the imminent threat.
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