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| The good cops thread | |
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| HoosierLars | Dec 15 2014, 12:52 PM Post #31 |
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I agree with you guys that police should only use deadly force when necessary, and agree with Brum that there could be instances where an officer is allowed to shoot to wound, e.g. suspect isn't a threat because he's running away, and there aren't innocents nearby. My earlier point was that IN THIS CASE, this guy dying was the silver lining. |
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| dreachon | Mar 12 2015, 05:30 AM Post #32 |
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Awful. Hope they fully recover. How can people not see that this the complete opposite way to go about things? http://kplr11.com/2015/03/12/2-police-officers-shot-near-ferguson-police-department/ |
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| Mr Gray | Mar 12 2015, 06:45 AM Post #33 |
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| mongo | Mar 12 2015, 06:56 AM Post #34 |
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Holy shit the one officer shot in the face is expected to survive? |
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| HoosierLars | Mar 12 2015, 09:54 AM Post #35 |
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Hands up, don't shoot |
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| dreachon | Apr 11 2015, 11:03 AM Post #36 |
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Kudos to this guy. How easy would it have been for this situation to escalate? I wanted to punch this idiot in the face so I'm sure the officer had every desire to write her up and drag her stupid ass out of the vehicle. Some things just aren't worth it. [utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI6vn0HHTmU&feature=youtu.be[/utube] |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 11 2015, 12:01 PM Post #37 |
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I disagree. She should have been given a parking violation ticket at the least. The lesson she learned was that she 'beat the system' because 'she knew her rights' when the truth is she had zero clue about anything. She'll continue to do things like this meaning he likely just pushed the issue onto another situation. |
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| dreachon | Apr 11 2015, 12:08 PM Post #38 |
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Well that's certainly possible, but if the cop wouldn't have been able to control himself had he kept going with this moron then it was still a good decision, IMO. She didn't necessarily deserve a ticket for the violation. I'd think it's pretty common for a cop to ask someone to move. She deserved a ticket for being a dumb asshole. |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 11 2015, 01:37 PM Post #39 |
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If you commit an infraction, you certainly do deserve the punishment that goes with it. I've been pulled over for speeding numerous times in my life. Sometimes, I've gotten a ticket....other times, I have not. But what I will say is this: anytime that I have been pulled over AND it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that I had been speeding, my actions DID justify me getting a ticket. Not getting a ticket is relying on someone to suspend justice and show mercy. She was parked in a fire lane. That is not really debatable. By law, she has committed a parking violation. The punishment for this violation is to be ticketed. Just because a policeman may choose to suspend the punishment doesn't mean the punishment isn't deserved. This is where I think people have a breakdown: the logic that justice and mercy go hand and hand. True justice can only exist without mercy. We don't want true justice, though, because we believe that exceptions should exist that allow us to get out of things like speeding tickets, parking tickets, etc. So if we don't want true justice, then we are asking the police on their own judgement as to when they should enforce laws......yet we question their judgement if they don't do so in the manner we believe they should. |
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| dreachon | Apr 11 2015, 01:55 PM Post #40 |
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Dude, she's sitting in the car. Could he have ticketed her? Yeah. And I wouldn't have a problem with it. But there's nothing wrong with the common courtesy to inform her and ask her to move. How many tickets would police be giving out every time they find someone at the airport waiting at the terminal for their family/friend to come out? You want a ticket given for every jaywalker too? She was being a bitch. The cop chose not to go to war with her over a minor violation like that. Totally understandable. |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 11 2015, 02:36 PM Post #41 |
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You said she didn't deserve a ticket. Please explain to me how breaking the law means that you don't deserve the punishment. I think it's strange that you are asking him to exercise 'the common courtesy' to suspend this when the person's whose common courtesy in question isn't him. Sparky (don't call me dude ;) ), minor violations get minor tickets. A parking ticket is not a 'war' to anyone but the women in question. What I have a problem with is you saying she didn't 'deserve' the ticket. You must have a different definition of 'deserve' than I do. She did break the law. So, yes, the actions did deserve a ticket. A policeman using judgement not to give her one is not a suspension of whether someone disobeyed the law. Mercy may be given, but the assumption that mercy is something that is just to be granted is dangerous. In my opinion, when mercy is granted, it is done with reason, most typically that the person when made aware of their action is less likely to repeat that action. The person in question here not only did not demonstrate this in the slightest, but also demonstrated the opposite....that they will continue to play their 'jump monkey' games with policemen (take your sunglasses off, I'm leaving because you don't make me feel safe) and continue to park their car wherever they damn please. In the end, we hope that a policemen's actions make things safer. Not giving a ticket to a person who acknowledges they were in the wrong indicates that the issue is less likely to occur again. Not ticketing someone who demonstrates that the issue is going to keep occurring IMO is actually making it more likely to occur again. |
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| dreachon | Apr 12 2015, 04:36 PM Post #42 |
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Ok. Maybe "deserved" was the wrong word to use. All I'm saying is this coulda been a lot worse. We've seen situations like this go from 0-apeshit very quickly and if walking away kept that from happening then I think that's good overall. |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 12 2015, 05:08 PM Post #43 |
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Yes, it could have went from zero to apeshit quickly. However, in this specific case I think that it probably needed to. It was a case where a person IMO was being beligerant and it wasn't a case of a person just not thinking straight in the spur of the moment. In your opinion, do you believe that this person will or will not have a future situation involving a policeman that is going to escalate because of her attitude and mouth? There is no doubt in my opinion that it will occur, in part because wasn't she wasn't confronted earlier. It's the fact that the person is reacting like this in a non-dangerous situation that says to me it needs to be handled now to try to curtail the behavior from occurring in a situation where she or others could get hurt. Edited by brumdog44, Apr 12 2015, 05:11 PM.
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| dreachon | Apr 13 2015, 10:06 AM Post #44 |
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Good points. Well maybe he's not a great cop, but I certainly didn't want to put him in the bad cops thread. |
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| eelbor | May 5 2015, 01:29 PM Post #45 |
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Kind of an interesting facts to the story. I did not realize that the off duty police officer in the Dallas Mohammed cartoon event took out both 'suspects' who both had an assault weapon and body armor with his .45 handgun. He certainly saved lives. Dude is a hero. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/us/texas-police-shooting-hero/index.html |
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