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Tom Crean Thread; His status
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dçamden03 Nov 27 2015, 02:08 AM Post #16
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I just Googled Tom Crean...

The top result is an article entitled, "Welcome to Tom Crean Appreciation Holiday Weekend!", on Hammer and Rails, basically proclaiming Crean their favorite Hoosier ever.
Meh...Hammer and Rails just likes to stir the pot and if I were a Purdue fan I don't think I'd take anything too seriously there. Hell, Crean shouldn't even be the favorite Hoosier coach in the last two.

You'd think that Hammer and Rails would focus more on how well their own team is doing.
That site is awful. The guy running it is nutty. I'm fairly certain he's not allowed at Purdue sporting events as a reporter. Forget the details, but read it on another message board.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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He drives me nuts. And I'm not sure he's this super great guy everyone makes him out to be. He's been an average to above average coach for a long time. All the problems he had at Marquette weren't going to magically fix themselves. Hope Indiana does better next time.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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stein1214 Nov 27 2015, 04:50 AM Post #18
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I just Googled Tom Crean...

The top result is an article entitled, "Welcome to Tom Crean Appreciation Holiday Weekend!", on Hammer and Rails, basically proclaiming Crean their favorite Hoosier ever.
Meh...Hammer and Rails just likes to stir the pot and if I were a Purdue fan I don't think I'd take anything too seriously there. Hell, Crean shouldn't even be the favorite Hoosier coach in the last two.

You'd think that Hammer and Rails would focus more on how well their own team is doing.
That site is awful. The guy running it is nutty. I'm fairly certain he's not allowed at Purdue sporting events as a reporter. Forget the details, but read it on another message board.
Ok, so a really awful Purdue site is the top result in Google...I don't think that makes it any better.

The point is that it's a big fucking joke to our rivals that he's still our coach. I'm sure Purdue fans aren't the only ones making that joke. I can only imagine how much fun the Kentucky assholes are having at our expense right now.

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Nov 26 2015, 10:09 PM
I just Googled Tom Crean...

The top result is an article entitled, "Welcome to Tom Crean Appreciation Holiday Weekend!", on Hammer and Rails, basically proclaiming Crean their favorite Hoosier ever.
Meh...Hammer and Rails just likes to stir the pot and if I were a Purdue fan I don't think I'd take anything too seriously there. Hell, Crean shouldn't even be the favorite Hoosier coach in the last two.

You'd think that Hammer and Rails would focus more on how well their own team is doing.
That site is awful. The guy running it is nutty. I'm fairly certain he's not allowed at Purdue sporting events as a reporter. Forget the details, but read it on another message board.
Ok, so a really awful Purdue site is the top result in Google...I don't think that makes it any better.

The point is that it's a big fucking joke to our rivals that he's still our coach. I'm sure Purdue fans aren't the only ones making that joke. I can only imagine how much fun the Kentucky assholes are having at our expense right now.

I deal with several of this UK idiots daily and yes.......they do think it's hilarious that Crean is still our coach. They, of course, extrapolate it into a statement on our new generation of low expectation fans.
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I definitely don't think Crean has it in him to resign, so he'll definitely at least finish out the rest of this year.

What I'm afraid will happen....We do pretty much what we did last year, just enough to sneak into the tournament and lose in the first round, and Glass will consider that good enough to keep his job again....Ugh!

What I think should happen if we don't end up any better than last year...Crean and Glass are both gone, we get a competent AD and he hires Archie Miller away from Dayton to take the job his brother should have had 8 years ago.

I think he's too good of a guy not too. He's all about family, and I'm sure his family hears the whispers too.

If I was the AD, I'd offer Brad Stevens $4.5M in the hopes he would take it, but he probably won't. Stevens could probably retains some of the players/recruits. Beyond that, we need a coach that stresses the fundamentals... defense, rebounding, screens, and taking care of the ball. I don't care what offense they run. Hell, Tom Crean would be a top 5 coach if he could coach defense, and ball management. Without doing any research, I couldn't tell you who that is.
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I like Crean. I think he was a good coach when he was hired and I think he's a good coach now. But at this point, that's EXACTLY the problem. He's the same exact guy now that he was when he came to Indiana.

Part of the reason I never advocated for the firing of Crean is that I prefer to bank on a coach growing and improving (especially one as young as Crean) rather than start fresh. I do think continuity holds an extremely high value, and at the time we needed continuity as much as we needed anything in IU Basketball.

But the fact is that Crean hasn't grown as a coach. We're watching the same mistakes and the same issues over and over again, year after year. I'm more than willing to accept that Crean has an offensive philosophy. I can buy the argument that offense can carry a team at the expense of defense (even though it's not my preferred route to success). But a defense can't be THIS bad and win big. To me, we've plateaued as a program and this isn't where I want us to be, so it's time to make a change. I wasn't convinced we had plateaued before.

As for the idea that he's not a genuinely great person, I really just don't have any idea where that comes from. Sounds like a doubt in humanity in general that anyone can be genuinely great person rather than that Crean himself is not. If he's not a great person, then he's been super committed to pretending he is for the last 10+ years, and at that point I'm not even sure there's a difference.
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Crean most likely is gone at the end of the year. Of course, we've heard that before. But barring a major change from what we saw in Maui, he won't survive.

But one thing I think we need to be prepared for is that the most likely replacement is not going to be a first choice guy. I'm sure IU will pursue Miller and Stevens....but lots of schools won't them as their first option as well. Odds are Stevens isn't going anywhere and Miller is going to be able to pick his job should he want to leave Dayton.
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I stumbled upon this old article recently, and the below quote jumped out at me.

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Think about how comfortable he is; he’s got a staff of head coaches. [Associates Tim Buckley and Steve McClain and assistant Chuck Martin all have Division I head-coaching experience.] Few guys are comfortable enough in their own skin to hire a staff of all head coaches. He respects the input he can get from them. And he also can bounce things off them, because they’ve sat in his chair.


I'm not familiar with how most college programs are structured, but it seems like we would have been much better served with specialists instead of average jack-of-all-trades. Crean is a very good recruiter and motivator. He needed a defensive guru and an inbounds play specialist.

I think it's too late for Crean at IU, but I wish him well wherever he ends-up.
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i've said it all along...i'm not even convinced he's a very good recruiter.

but dreach also makes a good point about the progression of a coach. and we haven't seen it. though the obvious rejoinder is that we never saw such statistical progression with crean previous to IU. so why would we expect it now?
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I stumbled upon this old article recently, and the below quote jumped out at me.

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Think about how comfortable he is; he’s got a staff of head coaches. [Associates Tim Buckley and Steve McClain and assistant Chuck Martin all have Division I head-coaching experience.] Few guys are comfortable enough in their own skin to hire a staff of all head coaches. He respects the input he can get from them. And he also can bounce things off them, because they’ve sat in his chair.


I'm not familiar with how most college programs are structured, but it seems like we would have been much better served with specialists instead of average jack-of-all-trades. Crean is a very good recruiter and motivator. He needed a defensive guru and an inbounds play specialist.

I think it's too late for Crean at IU, but I wish him well wherever he ends-up.
Well most head coaches are specialists before they become head coaches, though I have no idea if ours were.
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I figured this thread would be jumping after that beat down.

Any thoughts?
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Barring a huge turn-around (i.e., at least top 2-3 in Big Ten, and Sweet 16 at minimum), I think we have a new HC in place for the 2016-2017 season.
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Leaving these links here for reference:

Crean's Original Contract: http://www.insidethehall.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/creanfinalcontract.pdf

Details on Contract Extension: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8612449/indiana-hoosiers-sign-tom-crean-contract-extension

http://www.tomcreanbuyout.com/

http://www.indystar.com/story/hoosier-insider/2014/12/18/tom-crean-buyout-clause-indiana-hoosiers/20578385/

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I'm just going to lay this out there:

Crean's buyout before July 1, 2016, is $7.5 million. If you're hell-bent on making the move, and you make the move, then to me, flat-out, you ask Stevens to name his price, and do whatever is needed to get him to Bloomington.

Stevens' contract with the Celtics is 6 years, $22 million (average of $3.67 million). He's in the third year of the contract ('13-'14, '14-'15, '15-'16). 3 years remaining on his deal after this season. No idea what kind of buyout is in his contract with the Celtics.

The likelihood is slim, but if you want Stevens, you're going to have to pony up (boosters, etc.) to get your guy.
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I'm just going to lay this out there:

Crean's buyout before July 1, 2016, is $7.5 million. If you're hell-bent on making the move, and you make the move, then to me, flat-out, you ask Stevens to name his price, and do whatever is needed to get him to Bloomington.

Stevens' contract with the Celtics is 6 years, $22 million (average of $3.67 million). He's in the third year of the contract ('13-'14, '14-'15, '15-'16). 3 years remaining on his deal after this season. No idea what kind of buyout is in his contract with the Celtics.

The likelihood is slim, but if you want Stevens, you're going to have to pony up (boosters, etc.) to get your guy.
In other words, we need to start a gofundme
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