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| Serious Question; Tom Crean | |
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| dedicatedIUfan | Dec 29 2015, 10:04 AM Post #1 |
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I would like to ask a serious question regarding the status of Tom Crean. ITH is predicting that IU will go 11-7 and finish 5th in the Big Ten. That will be an overall record of 21-10 going into tournament play. Is that good enough to keep him as our coach next year? Does he have to do more in post season? I have heard a lot of rumblings lately from Crean supports outside OHB and they are starting to grow tired of the same old brand of basketball and lack of defense he has shown over the past 1 1/2 years. Most of you know where I stand, but I wanted your thoughts/suggestions. I personally think this team has underachieved and 11-7 and 5th in the Big Ten is definitely underachieving, IMO. |
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| TheBliver | Dec 29 2015, 10:43 AM Post #2 |
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http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/topic/8137831/1/?x=50#new The thread is called: Tom Crean Thread His Status Edited by TheBliver, Dec 29 2015, 10:45 AM.
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| dedicatedIUfan | Dec 29 2015, 12:36 PM Post #3 |
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Good point. Forgot about that thread. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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| mongo | Dec 29 2015, 01:38 PM Post #4 |
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For me personally it would take more than 21-10 and 11-7 for me to want to keep crean....but I'm doubting we finish that well in the big ten anyway |
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| dedicatedIUfan | Dec 29 2015, 02:54 PM Post #5 |
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I was going to copy and past into that thread but since I already have this one started and Mongo has chimed in, I guess I will keep it here. I am really interested to see what others think. I agree with Mongo too. I think it will have to be better than that and I don't think this team and coach has it in them. |
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| dreachon | Dec 29 2015, 03:24 PM Post #6 |
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Guess it depends. Does he win the tournament? I'd keep him then for sure ;) |
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| geepergibson | Dec 29 2015, 05:08 PM Post #7 |
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He needs to go, regardless of the this years record. Overall, his teams will never be better than average or slightly better than average. |
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| panchen_lama | Dec 30 2015, 12:58 AM Post #8 |
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it's the mike davis syndrome all over again. he got one team, which wasn't even "his", to the final four..and all of a sudden he's indiana's coach for a decade or what not. the debate about crean should have zero to do with what this team does. we all know what crean can do or feel he is capable of...if you want him, fine...if not, fine. but there is no more empirical evidence necessary. as with davis, unfortunately i feel the worst thing for the program at this point might be a successful tourney run... |
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| dedicatedIUfan | Dec 30 2015, 06:46 AM Post #9 |
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You make a good point; however, I think the AD will absolutely base keeping him on what the team does this year. Honestly, I agree with geepergibson. We know Crean has limitations on his coaching abilities; however, he develops players or to hear him take credit for that. Personally, I think it was because of those kids work ethic (Wade and VO) and not Crean's ability to develop players. Watford and Williams are two examples. They improved, but not significantly IMO, just the normal transition of the evolvement of getting older and possibly a little more mature. The same improvement that all players take when they go from Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, or Senior. This is my opinion and yes he needs to go and we need a change. Who that will be, I don't know but Thank You Tom Crean for getting us to this point now it is time we take that next leap. I hope it is a far one. |
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| dreachon | Dec 30 2015, 07:37 AM Post #10 |
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This seems to be the exact opposite of the Mike Davis situation. Crean didn't take over for a legendary coach. He built a program from a pile of shit. If he makes a deep tourney run, it's clearly on his own merit. You say we all know what Crean is capable of immediately after saying it shouldn't matter what he does this year. I'll assume you don't think he's capable of coaching a championship caliber team (I'm not sure I do either), but what if he does that this year? Should it not matter or were we wrong about what he is capable of? The whole idea that we shouldn't take into account what happens this year seems nonsensical to me. |
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| dreachon | Dec 30 2015, 07:44 AM Post #11 |
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Lol. Wade and VO take every opportunity they can get to credit Crean with their development but you believe he had nothing to do with it. Ya know, there's a real difference between not liking Crean as a coach or a guy and then taking that opinion is simply discounting every positive thing ever said about him. One might be your objective opinion. The other just sounds spiteful. |
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| panchen_lama | Dec 30 2015, 08:43 AM Post #12 |
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the issue i have is that people will overvalue the result from this year. and that is nonsensical. |
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| brumdog44 | Dec 30 2015, 11:33 AM Post #13 |
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So if the whole point of firing someone is they aren't capable of coaching a championship caliber team and then they do that.....it's overvalued? My problem is that people get too wrapped up in being right than they do in a team having success. If someone has an opinion of somebody and that person then succeeds, you have two options: 1. give them credit for doing it and accept the possibility that you were wrong or 2. disbelieve reality to fit your previously assumed reality. I think #2 is a very dangerous position to take. |
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| IUalltheWAY22 | Dec 30 2015, 11:48 AM Post #14 |
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Not to mention you are also throwing Troy's development out 1/3rd of the way through his Junior year. Vic didn't take huge strides until we got into B1G play. I'm not saying they are the same player, but don't be so quick to count Troy out of a breakout year. Crean has done a lot of the same things with the two players (letting them both initiate the offense from the top of the key) and both players had a tendency to play out of control sometimes. It is absolutely insane to not credit Crean for the development of Wade and Vic, but blame him for the lack of development with Watford and Troy. |
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| dreachon | Dec 30 2015, 11:58 AM Post #15 |
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Which, mind you, I don't even agree with. Watford improved tremendously during his time here, and more importantly, gave up his own minutes and roll on the team to defer to others while never complaining once. Keeping egos in check is part of the business and IU could use a lot more Watfords. As for Williams, if ya'll don't think he's improved a lot, then you're simply forgetting how raw and nearly useless he was as a freshman. He took a huge leap last season. |
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