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Game #21: Indiana (17-3, 7-0) @ Wisconsin (11-9, 3-4) Game Thread; 2015-2016 Season: January 26, 2016
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dçamden03 Jan 27 2016, 08:38 PM Post #196
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This stat will blow your minds.

Nigel Hayes made just TWO baskets in the 2nd half + overtime combined last night.




He scored 19 points in that time.
Not sure there's anybody on Indiana's roster that can guard him without fouling. It's ugly, but most of the calls seemed legit.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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This stat will blow your minds.

Nigel Hayes made just TWO baskets in the 2nd half + overtime combined last night.




He scored 19 points in that time.
Not sure there's anybody on Indiana's roster that can guard him without fouling. It's ugly, but most of the calls seemed legit.
No they weren't. There were several occasions where he initiated the contact and our guys were standing straight up and they called a foul. Last I checked, IU and Wisconsin both still play in the Big Ten which known for their physical play. The ref's totally took the flow of the game away with their quick whistles.
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This stat will blow your minds.

Nigel Hayes made just TWO baskets in the 2nd half + overtime combined last night.




He scored 19 points in that time.
Not sure there's anybody on Indiana's roster that can guard him without fouling. It's ugly, but most of the calls seemed legit.
Yeah, must be why he was 3 of 13 from the field at IU.
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This stat will blow your minds.

Nigel Hayes made just TWO baskets in the 2nd half + overtime combined last night.




He scored 19 points in that time.
Not sure there's anybody on Indiana's roster that can guard him without fouling. It's ugly, but most of the calls seemed legit.
Yeah, must be why he was 3 of 13 from the field at IU.
I said without fouling.

It's always the refs' vs Wisconsin.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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This stat will blow your minds.

Nigel Hayes made just TWO baskets in the 2nd half + overtime combined last night.




He scored 19 points in that time.
Not sure there's anybody on Indiana's roster that can guard him without fouling. It's ugly, but most of the calls seemed legit.
OG can and did both times.

I said in a post earlier I wasn't even sure the foul calls were bad (ticky tacky maybe). He certainly drew a lot of contact. That doesn't make the stat line less insane. 2 baskets. 19 points. When is the last time you saw that from anybody?
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dreachon
Jan 27 2016, 05:41 PM
This stat will blow your minds.

Nigel Hayes made just TWO baskets in the 2nd half + overtime combined last night.




He scored 19 points in that time.
Not sure there's anybody on Indiana's roster that can guard him without fouling. It's ugly, but most of the calls seemed legit.
Yeah, must be why he was 3 of 13 from the field at IU.
I said without fouling.

It's always the refs' vs Wisconsin.
Have no idea what your point is. He was 3 of 13 from the field, 7 of 11 from the line at Indiana. If you want to assume that 10 of his free throws came on shooting fouls, then he scored a grand total of 15 points on 18 shots. That's not a line that beats you and obviously they did guard him some without fouling considering he shot 23% from the field.

He had a good game yesterday, but to say Indiana can't guard him without fouling? Bullshit. He's had a lot of bad games this year against teams who defend the interior a lot worse than IU.

Anyway, I can live more with his 31 points yesterday than Happ's 25.
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Jan 27 2016, 08:38 PM
dreachon
Jan 27 2016, 05:41 PM
This stat will blow your minds.

Nigel Hayes made just TWO baskets in the 2nd half + overtime combined last night.




He scored 19 points in that time.
Not sure there's anybody on Indiana's roster that can guard him without fouling. It's ugly, but most of the calls seemed legit.
Yeah, must be why he was 3 of 13 from the field at IU.
I said without fouling.

It's always the refs' vs Wisconsin.
Have no idea what your point is. He was 3 of 13 from the field, 7 of 11 from the line at Indiana. If you want to assume that 10 of his free throws came on shooting fouls, then he scored a grand total of 15 points on 18 shots. That's not a line that beats you and obviously they did guard him some without fouling considering he shot 23% from the field.

He had a good game yesterday, but to say Indiana can't guard him without fouling? Bullshit. He's had a lot of bad games this year against teams who defend the interior a lot worse than IU.

Anyway, I can live more with his 31 points yesterday than Happ's 25.
Ditto! That is the adjustment that should have been made in the 2nd half and wasn't.
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I don't understand why we didn't go to a zone in the second half to stop happ...it's not like they were shooting the ball well against us. It was mainly all under the basket
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I don't understand why we didn't go to a zone in the second half to stop happ...it's not like they were shooting the ball well against us. It was mainly all under the basket
Normall I would agree, but given how mightily this team struggled going from man to zone, I think it's best if we just concentrate on our one defense at this point. I really believe the biggest issue was simply our foul trouble. I cam away from the game highly encouraged. We didn't lay an egg. We didn't even play poorly. We really battled. The fouls not only gave Wisky free points, but they also affected us on defense. Guys (especially Bryant) were scared to challenge the ball handlers because we were already getting called for every little thing.
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I don't understand why we didn't go to a zone in the second half to stop happ...it's not like they were shooting the ball well against us. It was mainly all under the basket
Normall I would agree, but given how mightily this team struggled going from man to zone, I think it's best if we just concentrate on our one defense at this point. I really believe the biggest issue was simply our foul trouble. I cam away from the game highly encouraged. We didn't lay an egg. We didn't even play poorly. We really battled. The fouls not only gave Wisky free points, but they also affected us on defense. Guys (especially Bryant) were scared to challenge the ball handlers because we were already getting called for every little thing.
Honestly, we did play poorly because we did seem to foul too much, turned it over way too many times, and didn't get scoring from many other players. I think this team is capable of doing much, much better in all those aspects because they have proven it in previous games and it is not like Wisconsin is a far more better team than those others that we beat during our 12 game winning streak, especially ND and the Big Ten teams.
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I don't understand why we didn't go to a zone in the second half to stop happ...it's not like they were shooting the ball well against us. It was mainly all under the basket
Normall I would agree, but given how mightily this team struggled going from man to zone, I think it's best if we just concentrate on our one defense at this point. I really believe the biggest issue was simply our foul trouble. I cam away from the game highly encouraged. We didn't lay an egg. We didn't even play poorly. We really battled. The fouls not only gave Wisky free points, but they also affected us on defense. Guys (especially Bryant) were scared to challenge the ball handlers because we were already getting called for every little thing.
Honestly, we did play poorly because we did seem to foul too much, turned it over way too many times, and didn't get scoring from many other players. I think this team is capable of doing much, much better in all those aspects because they have proven it in previous games and it is not like Wisconsin is a far more better team than those others that we beat during our 12 game winning streak, especially ND and the Big Ten teams.
Well I think there's a difference between not playing your best game, and playing poorly. It certainly wasn't our best game ever, but I didn't think we played poorly. We outrebounded them. Shot 45% from the floor and 43% from 3. Hit 89% of our free throws. We had more fast break points and more points off turnovers. We even outscored them in points in the paint (38-36) which is insane considering the foul disparity. We got down 8 and fought our way back.

Remember, we had the 2 point lead with under 30 seconds to go and Zeisloft had that WIDE OPEN shot in overtime to take the lead that he missed. It wasn't all roses, but I really think we fought hard and played a good game.
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I don't understand why we didn't go to a zone in the second half to stop happ...it's not like they were shooting the ball well against us. It was mainly all under the basket
Normall I would agree, but given how mightily this team struggled going from man to zone, I think it's best if we just concentrate on our one defense at this point. I really believe the biggest issue was simply our foul trouble. I cam away from the game highly encouraged. We didn't lay an egg. We didn't even play poorly. We really battled. The fouls not only gave Wisky free points, but they also affected us on defense. Guys (especially Bryant) were scared to challenge the ball handlers because we were already getting called for every little thing.
Honestly, we did play poorly because we did seem to foul too much, turned it over way too many times, and didn't get scoring from many other players. I think this team is capable of doing much, much better in all those aspects because they have proven it in previous games and it is not like Wisconsin is a far more better team than those others that we beat during our 12 game winning streak, especially ND and the Big Ten teams.
Well I think there's a difference between not playing your best game, and playing poorly. It certainly wasn't our best game ever, but I didn't think we played poorly. We outrebounded them. Shot 45% from the floor and 43% from 3. Hit 89% of our free throws. We had more fast break points and more points off turnovers. We even outscored them in points in the paint (38-36) which is insane considering the foul disparity. We got down 8 and fought our way back.

Remember, we had the 2 point lead with under 30 seconds to go and Zeisloft had that WIDE OPEN shot in overtime to take the lead that he missed. It wasn't all roses, but I really think we fought hard and played a good game.
Well those are aspects of the game that was positives but Yogi only had one assist, we turned it over way too many times and really only two players carried us to that shooting percentage and we allowed Haap to have a career night. So yes those aspects of the game we played poorly.

With that in mind, I guess we can call it a draw. It wasn't a poorly played game nor greatly played game.
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