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Game # 28: Purdue (21-6, 9-5) @ Indiana (21-6, 11-3) Game Thread; 2015-2016 Season: February 20th, 2016
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I'd say the biggest problem was Troy Williams hitting 2 threes and Thomas Bryant hitting another 3. That was a giant loss for Purdue.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
If Troy Williams doesn't lose his head and hit the stupid 3s he made, Purdie wins ANOTHER game.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
Which guy shooting under 40% are you going to replace him with to provide that offense from? Stephens? Cline? Mathias?

He's in the middle of a three game stretch in which he's played very, very poorly offensively and it's pretty easy to say he should be on the bench more now. But he's still a plus defender who can guard a variety of positions.

BTW, I'm already hearing the rumors that Kendall Stephens will be transferring after this year. Honestly, I think the minutes aren't going to be for him next year anyway.


Certainly not Stephens...his time is done. I think Mathias and Cline are both far superior on the offensive end. As an IU fan, if Cline or Mathias shoots, I'm worried; if Davis shoots, I'm almost elated.

If there's a singular mathup problem, I can see playing Davis so he can guard said problem. However, in a game like tonight, where that wasn't necessarily the case, I don't see what he brings to the team. He simply is terrible offensively, and despite his defensive production, I don't think he's the best option. The problem is he's a senior and done a lot for the program, so it's going to be difficult for Painter to take his minutes away. I guess that's why he gets paid 2 million plus a year...to make difficult decisions. In a game like tonight, you couldn't convince me that Cline or Mathias wouldn't be a better option. Even if they aren't hitting, at least the defense would respect them, and open up things down low. Defenses do not respect Raphael Davis at all, and it kills their offense. If he isn't dominating defensively then he doesn't bring that much to the table.

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You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
If Troy Williams doesn't lose his head and hit the stupid 3s he made, Purdie wins ANOTHER game.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Troy hit 2-4 tonight, and on the year he's a 30% shooter, so it's not like he went crazy from deep. If Purdue doesn't go crazy the last 5 minutes, which I give them credit for, Purdue could have lost by 20 points. Bryant and Troy hit a couple 3s, but Mathias and Edwards did at the end of the game, too. IU was the better team tonight, plain and simple.
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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
Which guy shooting under 40% are you going to replace him with to provide that offense from? Stephens? Cline? Mathias?

He's in the middle of a three game stretch in which he's played very, very poorly offensively and it's pretty easy to say he should be on the bench more now. But he's still a plus defender who can guard a variety of positions.

BTW, I'm already hearing the rumors that Kendall Stephens will be transferring after this year. Honestly, I think the minutes aren't going to be for him next year anyway.


Certainly not Stephens...his time is done. I think Mathias and Cline are both far superior on the offensive end. As an IU fan, if Cline or Mathias shoots, I'm worried; if Davis shoots, I'm almost elated.

If there's a singular mathup problem, I can see playing Davis so he can guard said problem. However, in a game like tonight, where that wasn't necessarily the case, I don't see what he brings to the team. He simply is terrible offensively, and despite his defensive production, I don't think he's the best option. The problem is he's a senior and done a lot for the program, so it's going to be difficult for Painter to take his minutes away. I guess that's why he gets paid 2 million plus a year...to make difficult decisions. In a game like tonight, you couldn't convince me that Cline or Mathias wouldn't be a better option. Even if they aren't hitting, at least the defense would respect them, and open up things down low. Defenses do not respect Raphael Davis at all, and it kills their offense. If he isn't dominating defensively then he doesn't bring that much to the table.

Just one man's opinion....
You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.

Way to address the issues and not start name-calling. What did I say that is so dumb? You can't even put together a coherent sentence, which I'm assuming speaks to your state of being. Like I said, I was impressed with Purdue's resiliency tonight. When they shoot well, they're as good as anyone in the country. I'm out, enjoy your evening, DC.
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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
If Troy Williams doesn't lose his head and hit the stupid 3s he made, Purdie wins ANOTHER game.
I'm honestly surprised you think Troy Williams hitting 2 threes was the difference in this game. To me, not in the slightest.

The difference was Purdue letting Yogi, Rojo, Morgan, OG, and Biefeldt taking absolutely wide open, uncontested threes. If you're Purdue, you live with Troy making a couple threes. You can't live allowing one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the country to sit there and take wide open shots all night. The defense was unacceptable.
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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
Which guy shooting under 40% are you going to replace him with to provide that offense from? Stephens? Cline? Mathias?

He's in the middle of a three game stretch in which he's played very, very poorly offensively and it's pretty easy to say he should be on the bench more now. But he's still a plus defender who can guard a variety of positions.

BTW, I'm already hearing the rumors that Kendall Stephens will be transferring after this year. Honestly, I think the minutes aren't going to be for him next year anyway.
I thought it was pretty telling that Stephens missed so much time from the team. I know the passing of a H.S. teammate is a bad situation, but I can't see a college junior missing more than one or two games because of it. I fully expect him to leave after the season. Honestly don't know why he is still on the team....he could've used the NCAA eligibility elsewhere.

Purdue's shooters don't make shots. It's been a trend for about five years now. Not going to get too much into that...will save it for a Purdue thread. But I agree that Davis is a guy Purdue must have on the court.
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You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
I would attribute it to Purdue not effectively rotating defensively, late close-outs, and not changing things up until the game was out of reach.

Implying that IU simply got lucky is probably not a good assessment, being that they are one of the very best offensive teams in the country. Especially when our defensive weakness is stopping the drive...which set up IU's shooters for such "silliness".
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Re watched the game. The 3rd and 4th fouls on Hammons (especially the 3rd) were all the lulz in the world. Good win for Indiana but I feel a lot better about Purdue after re watching how things unfolded.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
I would attribute it to Purdue not effectively rotating defensively, late close-outs, and not changing things up until the game was out of reach.

Implying that IU simply got lucky is probably not a good assessment, being that they are one of the very best offensive teams in the country. Especially when our defensive weakness is stopping the drive...which set up IU's shooters for such "silliness".
Did you see the 19 foot pull up contested jumper Williams hit late in the game? Complete trash of a shot that he just drills. Some days everything goes against you and you lose by a bucket. I'd still take the guys in black over the guys in cream.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
If Troy Williams doesn't lose his head and hit the stupid 3s he made, Purdie wins ANOTHER game.
...and if two guys who shoot about 37% each don't "lose their heads" and go 5 for 5 in the second half between them, Purdue loses ANOTHER game by double digits.
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You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
I would attribute it to Purdue not effectively rotating defensively, late close-outs, and not changing things up until the game was out of reach.

Implying that IU simply got lucky is probably not a good assessment, being that they are one of the very best offensive teams in the country. Especially when our defensive weakness is stopping the drive...which set up IU's shooters for such "silliness".
Did you see the 19 foot pull up contested jumper Williams hit late in the game? Complete trash of a shot that he just drills. Some days everything goes against you and you lose by a bucket. I'd still take the guys in black over the guys in cream.
How many of our fucking games have you watched this year? He does that shit all the time and makes it! Quit bitching...you lost! Go home and take it like a man.
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You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
I would attribute it to Purdue not effectively rotating defensively, late close-outs, and not changing things up until the game was out of reach.

Implying that IU simply got lucky is probably not a good assessment, being that they are one of the very best offensive teams in the country. Especially when our defensive weakness is stopping the drive...which set up IU's shooters for such "silliness".
Did you see the 19 foot pull up contested jumper Williams hit late in the game? Complete trash of a shot that he just drills. Some days everything goes against you and you lose by a bucket. I'd still take the guys in black over the guys in cream.
How many of our fucking games have you watched this year? He does that shit all the time and makes it! Quit bitching...you lost! Go home and take it like a man.


...I suppose we should feel guilty about Yogi breaking out of his slump last night too?
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You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
I would attribute it to Purdue not effectively rotating defensively, late close-outs, and not changing things up until the game was out of reach.

Implying that IU simply got lucky is probably not a good assessment, being that they are one of the very best offensive teams in the country. Especially when our defensive weakness is stopping the drive...which set up IU's shooters for such "silliness".
Did you see the 19 foot pull up contested jumper Williams hit late in the game? Complete trash of a shot that he just drills. Some days everything goes against you and you lose by a bucket. I'd still take the guys in black over the guys in cream.
I prefer to give credit to the team that beat us. Last night just further proves that they've been the better team for about six weeks now. Not only are they three games ahead of us in the standings, but they beat Iowa, won at Michigan, and somehow I don't see them losing to Illinois by 14.

I'm a lot more concerned about the guys in black than I am the guys in cream. I'm just glad we got so ridiculously hot in the first half of the MSU game. Now that's a game I'd call luck.
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