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Game # 28: Purdue (21-6, 9-5) @ Indiana (21-6, 11-3) Game Thread; 2015-2016 Season: February 20th, 2016
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mongo Feb 21 2016, 11:27 AM Post #76
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You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
I would attribute it to Purdue not effectively rotating defensively, late close-outs, and not changing things up until the game was out of reach.

Implying that IU simply got lucky is probably not a good assessment, being that they are one of the very best offensive teams in the country. Especially when our defensive weakness is stopping the drive...which set up IU's shooters for such "silliness".
Did you see the 19 foot pull up contested jumper Williams hit late in the game? Complete trash of a shot that he just drills. Some days everything goes against you and you lose by a bucket. I'd still take the guys in black over the guys in cream.
How many of our fucking games have you watched this year? He does that shit all the time and makes it! Quit bitching...you lost! Go home and take it like a man.
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Don't come on here and bitch. Your team lost a basketball game. There are bigger problems in the world....
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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
Which guy shooting under 40% are you going to replace him with to provide that offense from? Stephens? Cline? Mathias?

He's in the middle of a three game stretch in which he's played very, very poorly offensively and it's pretty easy to say he should be on the bench more now. But he's still a plus defender who can guard a variety of positions.

BTW, I'm already hearing the rumors that Kendall Stephens will be transferring after this year. Honestly, I think the minutes aren't going to be for him next year anyway.


Certainly not Stephens...his time is done. I think Mathias and Cline are both far superior on the offensive end. As an IU fan, if Cline or Mathias shoots, I'm worried; if Davis shoots, I'm almost elated.

If there's a singular mathup problem, I can see playing Davis so he can guard said problem. However, in a game like tonight, where that wasn't necessarily the case, I don't see what he brings to the team. He simply is terrible offensively, and despite his defensive production, I don't think he's the best option. The problem is he's a senior and done a lot for the program, so it's going to be difficult for Painter to take his minutes away. I guess that's why he gets paid 2 million plus a year...to make difficult decisions. In a game like tonight, you couldn't convince me that Cline or Mathias wouldn't be a better option. Even if they aren't hitting, at least the defense would respect them, and open up things down low. Defenses do not respect Raphael Davis at all, and it kills their offense. If he isn't dominating defensively then he doesn't bring that much to the table.

Just one man's opinion....
I agree! Davis should only play if there is a need for him to totally stop some one but he needs to come off the bench and to just give them a breather. Their offense would be so much better. Just look at the last 5 minutes and that validates it.
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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
Which guy shooting under 40% are you going to replace him with to provide that offense from? Stephens? Cline? Mathias?

He's in the middle of a three game stretch in which he's played very, very poorly offensively and it's pretty easy to say he should be on the bench more now. But he's still a plus defender who can guard a variety of positions.

BTW, I'm already hearing the rumors that Kendall Stephens will be transferring after this year. Honestly, I think the minutes aren't going to be for him next year anyway.


Certainly not Stephens...his time is done. I think Mathias and Cline are both far superior on the offensive end. As an IU fan, if Cline or Mathias shoots, I'm worried; if Davis shoots, I'm almost elated.

If there's a singular mathup problem, I can see playing Davis so he can guard said problem. However, in a game like tonight, where that wasn't necessarily the case, I don't see what he brings to the team. He simply is terrible offensively, and despite his defensive production, I don't think he's the best option. The problem is he's a senior and done a lot for the program, so it's going to be difficult for Painter to take his minutes away. I guess that's why he gets paid 2 million plus a year...to make difficult decisions. In a game like tonight, you couldn't convince me that Cline or Mathias wouldn't be a better option. Even if they aren't hitting, at least the defense would respect them, and open up things down low. Defenses do not respect Raphael Davis at all, and it kills their offense. If he isn't dominating defensively then he doesn't bring that much to the table.

Just one man's opinion....
Three point shooting:

Davis 28 of 74 (38%)
Mathias 31 of 84 (37%)
Cline 37 of 97 (38%)

Cline has no ability to create his shot -- he has made exactly ONE two point shot all year. It's easy to sit back and say that the player who played the worst game should have sat more. Both he and Mathias have zero ability to draw fouls and get to the line -- between them, they've shot 23 free throws all year. Nick Zeisloft has shot more free throws than either Mathias or Cline.

I just think it's very easy to criticize Davis right now after a couple of bad games....but his true value is not as low as it was against IU.
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You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
I would attribute it to Purdue not effectively rotating defensively, late close-outs, and not changing things up until the game was out of reach.

Implying that IU simply got lucky is probably not a good assessment, being that they are one of the very best offensive teams in the country. Especially when our defensive weakness is stopping the drive...which set up IU's shooters for such "silliness".
Did you see the 19 foot pull up contested jumper Williams hit late in the game? Complete trash of a shot that he just drills. Some days everything goes against you and you lose by a bucket. I'd still take the guys in black over the guys in cream.
How many of our fucking games have you watched this year? He does that shit all the time and makes it! Quit bitching...you lost! Go home and take it like a man.
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Don't come on here and bitch. Your team lost a basketball game. There are bigger problems in the world....
And I'm sure that Purdue's late barrage of threes was normal for them. Sometimes a team loses and an opposing fan is a sore loser. Sometimes a team gets called for four less fouls on the road and then complains about being homered. Go peddle crazy elsewhere.
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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
Which guy shooting under 40% are you going to replace him with to provide that offense from? Stephens? Cline? Mathias?

He's in the middle of a three game stretch in which he's played very, very poorly offensively and it's pretty easy to say he should be on the bench more now. But he's still a plus defender who can guard a variety of positions.

BTW, I'm already hearing the rumors that Kendall Stephens will be transferring after this year. Honestly, I think the minutes aren't going to be for him next year anyway.


Certainly not Stephens...his time is done. I think Mathias and Cline are both far superior on the offensive end. As an IU fan, if Cline or Mathias shoots, I'm worried; if Davis shoots, I'm almost elated.

If there's a singular mathup problem, I can see playing Davis so he can guard said problem. However, in a game like tonight, where that wasn't necessarily the case, I don't see what he brings to the team. He simply is terrible offensively, and despite his defensive production, I don't think he's the best option. The problem is he's a senior and done a lot for the program, so it's going to be difficult for Painter to take his minutes away. I guess that's why he gets paid 2 million plus a year...to make difficult decisions. In a game like tonight, you couldn't convince me that Cline or Mathias wouldn't be a better option. Even if they aren't hitting, at least the defense would respect them, and open up things down low. Defenses do not respect Raphael Davis at all, and it kills their offense. If he isn't dominating defensively then he doesn't bring that much to the table.

Just one man's opinion....
I agree! Davis should only play if there is a need for him to totally stop some one but he needs to come off the bench and to just give them a breather. Their offense would be so much better. Just look at the last 5 minutes and that validates it.
I believe he was on the court for a quite a bit of the time. He only sat six minutes total.
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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
Which guy shooting under 40% are you going to replace him with to provide that offense from? Stephens? Cline? Mathias?

He's in the middle of a three game stretch in which he's played very, very poorly offensively and it's pretty easy to say he should be on the bench more now. But he's still a plus defender who can guard a variety of positions.

BTW, I'm already hearing the rumors that Kendall Stephens will be transferring after this year. Honestly, I think the minutes aren't going to be for him next year anyway.


Certainly not Stephens...his time is done. I think Mathias and Cline are both far superior on the offensive end. As an IU fan, if Cline or Mathias shoots, I'm worried; if Davis shoots, I'm almost elated.

If there's a singular mathup problem, I can see playing Davis so he can guard said problem. However, in a game like tonight, where that wasn't necessarily the case, I don't see what he brings to the team. He simply is terrible offensively, and despite his defensive production, I don't think he's the best option. The problem is he's a senior and done a lot for the program, so it's going to be difficult for Painter to take his minutes away. I guess that's why he gets paid 2 million plus a year...to make difficult decisions. In a game like tonight, you couldn't convince me that Cline or Mathias wouldn't be a better option. Even if they aren't hitting, at least the defense would respect them, and open up things down low. Defenses do not respect Raphael Davis at all, and it kills their offense. If he isn't dominating defensively then he doesn't bring that much to the table.

Just one man's opinion....
You're dumb. And Purdue loss because of silliness of making 3s. Good luck come March/April.
LOL. IU shoots 1% higher from three than normal and Purdue shoots 11% higher, yet IU is lucky. Maybe if Purdue hadn't underachieved so much in the Big Ten, you wouldn't be so upset.
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I will add, and the Purdue brethren here may disagree vehemently, but I think Purdue would be better off playing Raphael Davis less. The Michigan State game was the exception, although he ended up 8-22 that night, but he's just brutal on offense. He's obviously good defensively, but there are certain games where that's not as important. I didn't notice him having a huge impact in that regard tonight, and he brought nothing on the offensive end. Just a thought...
Which guy shooting under 40% are you going to replace him with to provide that offense from? Stephens? Cline? Mathias?

He's in the middle of a three game stretch in which he's played very, very poorly offensively and it's pretty easy to say he should be on the bench more now. But he's still a plus defender who can guard a variety of positions.

BTW, I'm already hearing the rumors that Kendall Stephens will be transferring after this year. Honestly, I think the minutes aren't going to be for him next year anyway.


Certainly not Stephens...his time is done. I think Mathias and Cline are both far superior on the offensive end. As an IU fan, if Cline or Mathias shoots, I'm worried; if Davis shoots, I'm almost elated.

If there's a singular mathup problem, I can see playing Davis so he can guard said problem. However, in a game like tonight, where that wasn't necessarily the case, I don't see what he brings to the team. He simply is terrible offensively, and despite his defensive production, I don't think he's the best option. The problem is he's a senior and done a lot for the program, so it's going to be difficult for Painter to take his minutes away. I guess that's why he gets paid 2 million plus a year...to make difficult decisions. In a game like tonight, you couldn't convince me that Cline or Mathias wouldn't be a better option. Even if they aren't hitting, at least the defense would respect them, and open up things down low. Defenses do not respect Raphael Davis at all, and it kills their offense. If he isn't dominating defensively then he doesn't bring that much to the table.

Just one man's opinion....
I agree! Davis should only play if there is a need for him to totally stop some one but he needs to come off the bench and to just give them a breather. Their offense would be so much better. Just look at the last 5 minutes and that validates it.
I believe he was on the court for a quite a bit of the time. He only sat six minutes total.
I haven't really chimed into this discussion, but here are my thoughts. Being a three-point threat isn't Davis' game most nights...and that would be okay if our spacing allowed him to be the slasher that he is. But it doesn't.

As for the other shooters, they play scared. As soon as a guy other than Davis misses a three, he's probably going to the bench. Miss a second one and you're doomed. Same with Hammons/Haas with fouls. Get one foul and it's the bench.

The final minutes of last night's game was like the final minutes of the Butler game and the game at Iowa. When Purdue plays freely, and does some things the opponent doesn't expect...we look like a pretty good team....much like a team of good experience and good talent does. When we play in fear of getting benched, whether it be for a foul or a missed shot....well, that doesn't bode too well on the road in a rivalry game.
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You are correct in that Davis isn't a three point specialist....but I think that isn't because he can't knock down threes, it's because he has a more complete game. He has knocked down threes at basically the same percentage as Cline and Mathias. Cline and Mathias are certainly good passers, but Davis' overall game is much more complete. If Mathias and Cline were more able to get there own shots and play defense like Davis does, they wouldn't be known as three point specialists.
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As for the other shooters, they play scared. As soon as a guy other than Davis misses a three, he's probably going to the bench. Miss a second one and you're doomed. Same with Hammons/Haas with fouls. Get one foul and it's the bench.
Yup.
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