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How the hell did Purdue lose to either Illinois or Michigan in the regular season?
The same way that Indiana lost to Penn State, Maryland lost to Minnesota, and Michigan State lost at home to Nebraska. They don't give wins for being the better team. They give wins for being the team who scores the most points that day.

Have to say that if I was a Purdue fan, probably the game I would have wanted back the most was the home game against Iowa. Total dominance the first half and then not sure what happened.

BTW, I think the X-man for Purdue is Raphael Davis:

Losses: 7 games, 206 minutes, 7 of 34 from the field, 2 of 17 from three, 8 of 14 free throws, 23 rebounds. So in losses, he's getting 29 minutes/game, shooting 21%, 12% from three, 3.4 points per game and 3.3 rebounds.

Wins (entering today): 21 games (missed a few with injury), 71 of 168 from the field, 29 of 67 from three, 45 of 59 free throws, 88 rebounds. That's 42% from the field, 43% from three, 10.3 points per game and 4.2 rebounds.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
Not only do we lack that "quality" win in the tourney...but today's game is actually our best win away from Mackey this calendar year.

And I agree that tomorrow's game will likely have no bearing on the NCAA seed...unless Purdue completely lays an egg from the outset.

This is actually one time that I'm not particularly concerned with the NCAA seed. With this team, it's not necessarily the quality of the opponent, it's the style of the opponent that determines our chances IMO. Even more so than usual.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
In the past, there have been years where the seeding committee has talked about having multiple brackets depending on the BTT final. However, I tend to doubt that, and am still bitter over the '09 5th seed. We managed to get to the S16, but then ran into the #1 overall seed, Uconn.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
Not only do we lack that "quality" win in the tourney...but today's game is actually our best win away from Mackey this calendar year.

And I agree that tomorrow's game will likely have no bearing on the NCAA seed...unless Purdue completely lays an egg from the outset.

This is actually one time that I'm not particularly concerned with the NCAA seed. With this team, it's not necessarily the quality of the opponent, it's the style of the opponent that determines our chances IMO. Even more so than usual.
Again, I hate that the Big Ten championship comes so close to the selection show. I think it makes the result of the Big Ten Tournament championship game moot, which is stupid IMO. Purdue beating Michigan State IMO should be worth something. A loss to them in the BTT championship, IMO, isn't something that should do anything negative to their resume, IMO.

I don't know how the committee will end up seeding the group. If Purdue beats Michigan State and were not at least get a 3 seed, we'll know they aren't even paying attention to the result of the BTT championship.

If they were to lose, it's possible IMO that Purdue has a higher seed than IU, has the same, or Indiana has a higher seed.

We'll see how they factor the following elements if Purdue were to lose the BTT championship (again, this is even assuming that they consider the result):

1. Basically same record; if Purdue loses, they would have one more win than IU but one more loss, although that would come from Michigan State in the BTT championship.
2. A regular season title in the conference and three games better than a team they are comparing them to.
3. A team that lost their first game in the conference tournament compared to a team that went to the tournament championship.
4. Head to head game.
5. Strength of schedule (IU pom 73, Purdue 61).
6. How much they factor in early bad losses.

I can't mind read the NCAA selection committee.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
In the past, there have been years where the seeding committee has talked about having multiple brackets depending on the BTT final. However, I tend to doubt that, and am still bitter over the '09 5th seed. We managed to get to the S16, but then ran into the #1 overall seed, Uconn.
I don't remember that talk, but that's interesting. Of course, as your skepticism implies, who knows if that's legit.

As with most teams, Purdue occasionally shoots poorly from deep (although from I've seen, Mathias and Vince have been shooting the hell out of it lately) and turns it over too much. The only thing that consistently gives them problems, from my point of view, is a trapping, pressure defense in the backcourt. I'd assume most Purdue fans wouldn't want to be matched up with a full-court, pressure defensive type of team.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
Not only do we lack that "quality" win in the tourney...but today's game is actually our best win away from Mackey this calendar year.

And I agree that tomorrow's game will likely have no bearing on the NCAA seed...unless Purdue completely lays an egg from the outset.

This is actually one time that I'm not particularly concerned with the NCAA seed. With this team, it's not necessarily the quality of the opponent, it's the style of the opponent that determines our chances IMO. Even more so than usual.
Again, I hate that the Big Ten championship comes so close to the selection show. I think it makes the result of the Big Ten Tournament championship game moot, which is stupid IMO. Purdue beating Michigan State IMO should be worth something. A loss to them in the BTT championship, IMO, isn't something that should do anything negative to their resume, IMO.

I don't know how the committee will end up seeding the group. If Purdue beats Michigan State and were not at least get a 3 seed, we'll know they aren't even paying attention to the result of the BTT championship.

If they were to lose, it's possible IMO that Purdue has a higher seed than IU, has the same, or Indiana has a higher seed.

We'll see how they factor the following elements if Purdue were to lose the BTT championship (again, this is even assuming that they consider the result):

1. Basically same record; if Purdue loses, they would have one more win than IU but one more loss, although that would come from Michigan State in the BTT championship.
2. A regular season title in the conference and three games better than a team they are comparing them to.
3. A team that lost their first game in the conference tournament compared to a team that went to the tournament championship.
4. Head to head game.
5. Strength of schedule (IU pom 73, Purdue 61).
6. How much they factor in early bad losses.

I can't mind read the NCAA selection committee.
I don't think they weigh head to head games very heavily, especially a 4 point home game.

I can't really see how they are anything but on the same seed line if Purdue losses tomorrow. Basically the same resume. If Purdue wins tomorrow, I think they should be a 3, but I wouldn't expect it.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
In the past, there have been years where the seeding committee has talked about having multiple brackets depending on the BTT final. However, I tend to doubt that, and am still bitter over the '09 5th seed. We managed to get to the S16, but then ran into the #1 overall seed, Uconn.
I don't remember that talk, but that's interesting. Of course, as your skepticism implies, who knows if that's legit.

As with most teams, Purdue occasionally shoots poorly from deep (although from I've seen, Mathias and Vince have been shooting the hell out of it lately) and turns it over too much. The only thing that consistently gives them problems, from my point of view, is a trapping, pressure defense in the backcourt. I'd assume most Purdue fans wouldn't want to be matched up with a full-court, pressure defensive type of team.
How many of those teams even exist? I can think of one major conference team that presses 40 minutes a game.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
Not only do we lack that "quality" win in the tourney...but today's game is actually our best win away from Mackey this calendar year.

And I agree that tomorrow's game will likely have no bearing on the NCAA seed...unless Purdue completely lays an egg from the outset.

This is actually one time that I'm not particularly concerned with the NCAA seed. With this team, it's not necessarily the quality of the opponent, it's the style of the opponent that determines our chances IMO. Even more so than usual.
Again, I hate that the Big Ten championship comes so close to the selection show. I think it makes the result of the Big Ten Tournament championship game moot, which is stupid IMO. Purdue beating Michigan State IMO should be worth something. A loss to them in the BTT championship, IMO, isn't something that should do anything negative to their resume, IMO.

I don't know how the committee will end up seeding the group. If Purdue beats Michigan State and were not at least get a 3 seed, we'll know they aren't even paying attention to the result of the BTT championship.

If they were to lose, it's possible IMO that Purdue has a higher seed than IU, has the same, or Indiana has a higher seed.

We'll see how they factor the following elements if Purdue were to lose the BTT championship (again, this is even assuming that they consider the result):

1. Basically same record; if Purdue loses, they would have one more win than IU but one more loss, although that would come from Michigan State in the BTT championship.
2. A regular season title in the conference and three games better than a team they are comparing them to.
3. A team that lost their first game in the conference tournament compared to a team that went to the tournament championship.
4. Head to head game.
5. Strength of schedule (IU pom 73, Purdue 61).
6. How much they factor in early bad losses.

I can't mind read the NCAA selection committee.
I don't think they weigh head to head games very heavily, especially a 4 point home game.

I can't really see how they are anything but on the same seed line if Purdue losses tomorrow. Basically the same resume. If Purdue wins tomorrow, I think they should be a 3, but I wouldn't expect it.
All that it takes to be one seed difference is being one spot different in the listing of 68 teams.....12th as opposed to 13th. There really is basically no difference between a 3 and 4 seed. If the resumes are the same, they still have to distinguish them and then it comes down to whether that ends up on a line difference.

All of the factors I gave are ones that they could consider in comparing the two. While you say that head to head games aren't weighed very heavily, I can tell you that IMO the difference in SOS of 73 and 61 isn't noteworthy as well -- especially when their is no true SOS rating but rather a calculated value that difference rating systems don't even agree on.....I've seen all kinds of SOS ratings and they aren't consistent with each. Maybe you weight a 4 point road loss and 12 positions higher on SOS as being better than a 4 point home win and 12 positions lower in SOS -- my personal opinion is that I would not. In the end, that is why I said that we are going to see how the NCAA compares the two resumes if the seeding are different tomorrow. I certainly can't tell you why Purdue was only one spot ahead of Indiana last year, so I can't tell you how to predict how the NCAA would view it.

It's not a simple procedure -- heck, even at this point I'm seeing some very respected analysts having Kentucky anywhere from 3 to a 5 -- so I don't know where they will end up. My gut says IU and Purdue are both going to be 4s; either COULD be a 3; if either would drop to a 5 I would be shocked. I agree that Purdue should definitely be a 3 should they win tomorrow, I just fear the NCAA doesn't take the championship game into account.

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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
In the past, there have been years where the seeding committee has talked about having multiple brackets depending on the BTT final. However, I tend to doubt that, and am still bitter over the '09 5th seed. We managed to get to the S16, but then ran into the #1 overall seed, Uconn.
I don't remember that talk, but that's interesting. Of course, as your skepticism implies, who knows if that's legit.

As with most teams, Purdue occasionally shoots poorly from deep (although from I've seen, Mathias and Vince have been shooting the hell out of it lately) and turns it over too much. The only thing that consistently gives them problems, from my point of view, is a trapping, pressure defense in the backcourt. I'd assume most Purdue fans wouldn't want to be matched up with a full-court, pressure defensive type of team.
How many of those teams even exist? I can think of one major conference team that presses 40 minutes a game.
Agreed, although I wasn't talking about a 40-minute type team. No teams look like the Arkansas Razorbacks circa 1998. Iowa and Maryland don't press for 40 minutes and they caused Purdue fits when they went that route.

If Purdue can make it through the bracket playing teams that aren't comfortable pressing, I think they're in really, really good shape. I think we'd agree there.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
In the past, there have been years where the seeding committee has talked about having multiple brackets depending on the BTT final. However, I tend to doubt that, and am still bitter over the '09 5th seed. We managed to get to the S16, but then ran into the #1 overall seed, Uconn.
I don't remember that talk, but that's interesting. Of course, as your skepticism implies, who knows if that's legit.

As with most teams, Purdue occasionally shoots poorly from deep (although from I've seen, Mathias and Vince have been shooting the hell out of it lately) and turns it over too much. The only thing that consistently gives them problems, from my point of view, is a trapping, pressure defense in the backcourt. I'd assume most Purdue fans wouldn't want to be matched up with a full-court, pressure defensive type of team.
How many of those teams even exist? I can think of one major conference team that presses 40 minutes a game.
Agreed, although I wasn't talking about a 40-minute type team. No teams look like the Arkansas Razorbacks circa 1998. Iowa and Maryland don't press for 40 minutes and they caused Purdue fits when they went that route.

If Purdue can make it through the bracket playing teams that aren't comfortable pressing, I think they're in really, really good shape. I think we'd agree there.
I'd be more worried about a team like UNC who has major length. Iowa and Maryland pressed out of desperation and Purdue struggled with, but I think they'll be better at it going forward. That Maryland game was so weird, they just lost their minds for like 3 min.

Teams that can compete on the glass will give Purdue problems because that's where they make up possessions lost where they turn it over themselves and they also don't force many turnovers themselves.

I like Purdue's chances vs most teams when they don't give up turnovers that lead to lay ups on the other end.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
In the past, there have been years where the seeding committee has talked about having multiple brackets depending on the BTT final. However, I tend to doubt that, and am still bitter over the '09 5th seed. We managed to get to the S16, but then ran into the #1 overall seed, Uconn.
I don't remember that talk, but that's interesting. Of course, as your skepticism implies, who knows if that's legit.

As with most teams, Purdue occasionally shoots poorly from deep (although from I've seen, Mathias and Vince have been shooting the hell out of it lately) and turns it over too much. The only thing that consistently gives them problems, from my point of view, is a trapping, pressure defense in the backcourt. I'd assume most Purdue fans wouldn't want to be matched up with a full-court, pressure defensive type of team.
How many of those teams even exist? I can think of one major conference team that presses 40 minutes a game.
Agreed, although I wasn't talking about a 40-minute type team. No teams look like the Arkansas Razorbacks circa 1998. Iowa and Maryland don't press for 40 minutes and they caused Purdue fits when they went that route.

If Purdue can make it through the bracket playing teams that aren't comfortable pressing, I think they're in really, really good shape. I think we'd agree there.
I'd be more worried about a team like UNC who has major length. Iowa and Maryland pressed out of desperation and Purdue struggled with, but I think they'll be better at it going forward. That Maryland game was so weird, they just lost their minds for like 3 min.

Teams that can compete on the glass will give Purdue problems because that's where they make up possessions lost where they turn it over themselves and they also don't force many turnovers themselves.

I like Purdue's chances vs most teams when they don't give up turnovers that lead to lay ups on the other end.
The kind of team that could give Purdue a little bit of problem is Texas. They don't press as much as Shaka Smart's VCU teams, but they do throw it in the mix. Also, if Cameron Ridley is good to go (he played for the first time in almost four months in the Big 12 tournament -- although for just a couple of minutes) he gives them a big body (6'9", 285 pounds) who is a deceptively good athlete who is a plus rebounder and defender and could hold his own underneath against the big bodies of Purdue.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
In the past, there have been years where the seeding committee has talked about having multiple brackets depending on the BTT final. However, I tend to doubt that, and am still bitter over the '09 5th seed. We managed to get to the S16, but then ran into the #1 overall seed, Uconn.
I don't remember that talk, but that's interesting. Of course, as your skepticism implies, who knows if that's legit.

As with most teams, Purdue occasionally shoots poorly from deep (although from I've seen, Mathias and Vince have been shooting the hell out of it lately) and turns it over too much. The only thing that consistently gives them problems, from my point of view, is a trapping, pressure defense in the backcourt. I'd assume most Purdue fans wouldn't want to be matched up with a full-court, pressure defensive type of team.
How many of those teams even exist? I can think of one major conference team that presses 40 minutes a game.
Agreed, although I wasn't talking about a 40-minute type team. No teams look like the Arkansas Razorbacks circa 1998. Iowa and Maryland don't press for 40 minutes and they caused Purdue fits when they went that route.

If Purdue can make it through the bracket playing teams that aren't comfortable pressing, I think they're in really, really good shape. I think we'd agree there.
I'd be more worried about a team like UNC who has major length. Iowa and Maryland pressed out of desperation and Purdue struggled with, but I think they'll be better at it going forward. That Maryland game was so weird, they just lost their minds for like 3 min.

Teams that can compete on the glass will give Purdue problems because that's where they make up possessions lost where they turn it over themselves and they also don't force many turnovers themselves.

I like Purdue's chances vs most teams when they don't give up turnovers that lead to lay ups on the other end.
The kind of team that could give Purdue a little bit of problem is Texas. They don't press as much as Shaka Smart's VCU teams, but they do throw it in the mix. Also, if Cameron Ridley is good to go (he played for the first time in almost four months in the Big 12 tournament -- although for just a couple of minutes) he gives them a big body (6'9", 285 pounds) who is a deceptively good athlete who is a plus rebounder and defender and could hold his own underneath against the big bodies of Purdue.
Meh, he's played 2 minutes since December 19th and their other bugs would get worked by Hammons and Haas. They also are 301st in tempo which would play into Purdue's hands. And Texas is a lousy rebounding team.
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Very nice showing so far. Looking ahead to the NCAAs, I think we've played our way to the 3-line...barring a total disaster in tomorrow's game.
It will be really interesting to see Purdue's seed, especially if they win tomorrow. Though no fault of your own, obviously, you're in the B1G tournament championship game without a "quality" win in the process. If you would have beat Iowa and Indiana, on the way, that would have been infinitely better than beating Illinois and Michigan.

Also, I've always been under the impression that what you do in the final of the B1G tournament doesn't resonate in terms of seeding considering how close it is to Selection Sunday. Maybe they have contingent brackets depending on who wins. I obviously don't know, but I've always assumed, correct or not, that that game won't impact seeding one way or another, which isn't fair.
In the past, there have been years where the seeding committee has talked about having multiple brackets depending on the BTT final. However, I tend to doubt that, and am still bitter over the '09 5th seed. We managed to get to the S16, but then ran into the #1 overall seed, Uconn.
I don't remember that talk, but that's interesting. Of course, as your skepticism implies, who knows if that's legit.

As with most teams, Purdue occasionally shoots poorly from deep (although from I've seen, Mathias and Vince have been shooting the hell out of it lately) and turns it over too much. The only thing that consistently gives them problems, from my point of view, is a trapping, pressure defense in the backcourt. I'd assume most Purdue fans wouldn't want to be matched up with a full-court, pressure defensive type of team.
How many of those teams even exist? I can think of one major conference team that presses 40 minutes a game.
WV came pretty close in their win over Oklahoma
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