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| rkl15 | Apr 26 2016, 09:06 PM Post #151 |
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I know what a Democracy is: Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy Pronunciation: di-primarystressmäk-rschwa-semacron Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -cies Etymology: from early French democratie "democracy," from Latin democratia (same meaning), from Greek demokratia "democracy," from demacronmos "people, the masses" and -kratia "rule, government," from kratos "strength, power, authority" --related to EPIDEMIC 1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : government in which the supreme power is held by the people and used by them directly or indirectly through representation 2 : a political unit (as a nation) that has a democratic government 3 : belief in or practice of the idea that all people are socially equal Laws are created by people elected to office by majority vote. I know we basically agree on this. But I see it as government trying to be too Politically Correct. My question (and I don't know) are there alot of transgender people out there asking for this law? |
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| sirbrianwilson | Apr 26 2016, 09:11 PM Post #152 |
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I don't have a problem with somebody identifying as another race. I don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. I do have a problem with unconstitutional, discriminatory, bigoted, and transphobic laws being passed under the false-pretense of "protecting children from sexual predators." br |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 26 2016, 11:41 PM Post #153 |
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Short of a law being put on a referendum, democracy is NOT about laws being passed by popular vote. And it's honestly a good thing that they are not. For instance, slavery is not something that should ever been put up to a popular vote. Women's voting rights should not have been up for a popular vote (which would have only been men voting on the issue to begin with). If you want to talk about government waste and expense, then why would you be talking about laws being put up for a public vote? THAT would result in an incredible amount of expense. In terms of the number of transgenders wanting the law......I would say that if absolutely that a vast majority are opposed to the North Carolina law. And while you want say that 700,000 isn't a significant amount of people, I'd say that more than qualifies as a significant number. That's seven times the number of people as there are in Flint, Michigan. Should we ignore what has went on there with their water supply since it 'really wasn't that many people'? I am in agreement that the Charlotte law should not have been established. I am in total disagreement that the shouldn't have been established because there are 'more straight people than transgenders'. |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 26 2016, 11:55 PM Post #154 |
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Again, the last part is your words based on what some of those in favor of passing the bill have said. You can put emphasis on that all you want, but it has no bearing in what the outcome of a legal ruling will be on the issue. So you can contain to sling mud or you can cite actual law where you believe that it is unconstitutional, which I have gone on record as saying it may be. But I haven't heard you make that actual reasoned argument yet. |
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| HoosierLars | Apr 27 2016, 08:39 AM Post #155 |
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Ok, so your position is clear now. I think it was Dreach who had a major problem with the white woman identifying as black. He's been very inconsistent on the issue of identifying with other groups who have obvious physical differences. |
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| HoosierLars | Apr 27 2016, 09:02 AM Post #156 |
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So it's fair to say that Brian agrees with most of the UW students in this video--everyone should be free to identify with whatever sex/race they choose. (Let's pretend this was done at WSU so Brian doesn't have to identify with the Huskies. :-) I'm going to guess that Brian/Dreach/Brum/Eel have some problem with a 5'-9 guy identifying with someone who's 6'-5, but I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't. |
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| sirbrianwilson | Apr 27 2016, 09:59 AM Post #157 |
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The mud-slinging is my disappointment showing. Here's the ACLU breakdown of the constitutional protections of the LGBT community: https://www.aclu.org/rights-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgendered-people This law violates the equal protection clauses in the constitution. |
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| dreachon | Apr 27 2016, 11:43 AM Post #158 |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 27 2016, 01:41 PM Post #159 |
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I asked for this issue in particular was unconstitutional -- you gave me a link from the ACLU on LGBT in which I saw nothing listened in terms of the North Carolina case. There is a general statement that is listed: "The ACLU believes the Equal Protection Cluase prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation as well." Even the ACLU won't go as far as saying the Equal Protection Clause (14th amendment) does prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation; rather, the ACLU is stating their belief that it does. There is a difference between the two. I would also say the connection is tenuous at best. Its text: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. -------------------------------------------------------- Side note: probably one item that is getting lost in all of this is that I think the North Carolina law fails to give a penalty for breaking the law....it doesn't even establish the breaking of the law as being trespassing. So what exactly is the punishment for breaking it? |
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| sirbrianwilson | Apr 27 2016, 03:56 PM Post #160 |
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It violates the equal protection clause because it discriminates against people based on their gender. It also violates an individual's right to privacy by forcing people to out themselves. It violates title IX because public institutions which receive public funds will be discriminating based on gender it also will potentially force people to undergo medical treatment they may not want or even be advised against just to use bathroom facilities consistent with their gender identity. I think the court will strike down the law on all of the above accounts. It is blatantly unconstitutional. And, quite frankly, an embarrassment for our nation. The world is laughing at us. |
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| eelbor | Apr 27 2016, 04:53 PM Post #161 |
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Fishing again? Not surprising Lars. Wash, Rinse, repeat. |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 27 2016, 06:32 PM Post #162 |
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Every single bit of what you said assumes that someone agrees with your notion that gender is not a physical attribute. The lack of acceptance that it is not universally defined the way you define it is something you have accused others of doing -- not being able to see the point of both sides of the issue. The fact that you say it is 'blatantly unconstitutional' to me says you either underestimate what the term blatant is or the term unconstitutional. It may be ruled unconstitutional but it most definitely is not a slam dunk case. |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 27 2016, 06:42 PM Post #163 |
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So......I change my mind on the issue, debate against the Charlotte law, and you still want to throw pot shots at me. Do you even read, bro? |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 27 2016, 06:49 PM Post #164 |
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You just said that you don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. So are you then ok with that person having the same rights protections and privileges as the animal he identifies as? For example, if I identify as a dog, are you ok with me shitting on the sidewalk or on a park as long as a human picks it up when I'm done? Please answer yes or no and explain. |
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| sirbrianwilson | Apr 27 2016, 06:54 PM Post #165 |
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Www.dictionary.com/browse/gender here's how I see it...I know there are trans-phobic àssholes out there. I know there are people who would prefer to "keep our state straight." And I know that makes it not a "slam dunk" in your eyes. I can understand that, but I really don't see a stronger argument on the other side. When this bill is deemed unconstitutional, there will be much celebration and some grumbling. But eventually it will be celebrated and looked back on as a win against a shameful time in our cultural history. Similar to a brown v BOE ruling is viewed. |
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