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Mississippi & NC religious freedom laws
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Zero. Not really hearing a call from trans folks to install them in women's rooms either.
You are making the claim that bathrooms should be gender identity related and not about physical characteristics. If this is the case, then WHY would you not want urinals in the women's bathroom?
I don't get why urinals are in men's rooms. It would be awesome if they were all stalls. Less spray-back, shoe pee, and more privacy. All wins.
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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Please link to where anyone said that 'trans people aren't real'.

But I'm glad to see that while you accuse others of stereotyping, you have no problem doing so yourself.
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Zero. Not really hearing a call from trans folks to install them in women's rooms either.
You are making the claim that bathrooms should be gender identity related and not about physical characteristics. If this is the case, then WHY would you not want urinals in the women's bathroom?
I don't get why urinals are in men's rooms. It would be awesome if they were all stalls. Less spray-back, shoe pee, and more privacy. All wins.
Zero to do with the question.
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Zero. Not really hearing a call from trans folks to install them in women's rooms either.
You are making the claim that bathrooms should be gender identity related and not about physical characteristics. If this is the case, then WHY would you not want urinals in the women's bathroom?
I don't get why urinals are in men's rooms. It would be awesome if they were all stalls. Less spray-back, shoe pee, and more privacy. All wins.
Zero to do with the question.
Urinals are irrelevant in this topic. They are not required equipment for a male, female, or trans person to do their business
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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Please link to where anyone said that 'trans people aren't real'.

But I'm glad to see that while you accuse others of stereotyping, you have no problem doing so yourself.
By denying that this is a very real and very dangerous topic for trans people is as close to saying trans people aren't real as I can think a statement could be.
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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Please link to where anyone said that 'trans people aren't real'.

But I'm glad to see that while you accuse others of stereotyping, you have no problem doing so yourself.
By denying that this is a very real and very dangerous topic for trans people is as close to saying trans people aren't real as I can think a statement could be.
Baloney. So if I acknowledge a problem exists but disagree with the solution offered, that somehow means I DON'T acknowledge it? That begs of special pleading.

Answer me this:

1. Do you believe that terrorist attacks exist?

2. Do you believe the Patriot Act is a just law?

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Brian, Dreach, and Brum, here are some students who generally support your position:
You can jump to 55s

[utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfO1veFs6Ho[/utube]
So it's fair to say that Brian agrees with most of the UW students in this video--everyone should be free to identify with whatever sex/race they choose. (Let's pretend this was done at WSU so Brian doesn't have to identify with the Huskies. :-) I'm going to guess that Brian/Dreach/Brum/Eel have some problem with a 5'-9 guy identifying with someone who's 6'-5, but I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't.
So......I change my mind on the issue, debate against the Charlotte law, and you still want to throw pot shots at me. Do you even read, bro?
HaHa I have clicked like on some of your posts in this thread, and have appreciated you taking on the standard LGBT talking points. And I recall you were not very sympathetic of Bruce Jenner. So I was basically grouping you in with the other guys just to bust your chops for fun. :P

Dreach, thanks for linking your old post regarding the white woman identifying as black. I also recall you hating on her quite a bit, and think it's unfair for you to think she's not sincere in her beliefs. But like Brian, it looks like you are more consistent that I remembered on gay/race identification.

Eel, if you are supportive of the 5'9 guy thinking he's 6'-5, maybe we can think of a way to replace Hammons next year.
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HaHa I have clicked like on some of your posts in this thread, and have appreciated you taking on the standard LGBT talking points. And I recall you were not very sympathetic of Bruce Jenner. So I was basically grouping you in with the other guys just to bust your chops for fun. :P

Dreach, thanks for linking your old post regarding the white woman identifying as black. I also recall you hating on her quite a bit, and think it's unfair for you to think she's not sincere in her beliefs. But like Brian, it looks like you are more consistent that I remembered on gay/race identification.

Eel, if you are supportive of the 5'9 guy thinking he's 6'-5, maybe we can think of a way to replace Hammons next year.
My opinion on Bruce Jenner wasn't about sympathy. I said if that's what he wanted to do, more power to him, but I couldn't empathize.
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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Please link to where anyone said that 'trans people aren't real'.

But I'm glad to see that while you accuse others of stereotyping, you have no problem doing so yourself.
By denying that this is a very real and very dangerous topic for trans people is as close to saying trans people aren't real as I can think a statement could be.
Let's say that allowing transgenders to legally use the opposite sex bathroom would increase violence against them. Would that make the law just?
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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Please link to where anyone said that 'trans people aren't real'.

But I'm glad to see that while you accuse others of stereotyping, you have no problem doing so yourself.
By denying that this is a very real and very dangerous topic for trans people is as close to saying trans people aren't real as I can think a statement could be.
Let's say that allowing transgenders to legally use the opposite sex bathroom would increase violence against them. Would that make the law just?
irrelevant because they already do, so it wouldn't increase violence. what this law is doing is making their current actions illegal and forcing them (if they want to obey the law) into a very dangerous situation.

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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Please link to where anyone said that 'trans people aren't real'.

But I'm glad to see that while you accuse others of stereotyping, you have no problem doing so yourself.
By denying that this is a very real and very dangerous topic for trans people is as close to saying trans people aren't real as I can think a statement could be.
Baloney. So if I acknowledge a problem exists but disagree with the solution offered, that somehow means I DON'T acknowledge it? That begs of special pleading.

Answer me this:

1. Do you believe that terrorist attacks exist?

2. Do you believe the Patriot Act is a just law?

i could have worded that a lot better (was typing on my phone on the bus ride home from work).

Let's just say I'm in the camp where I don't believe being trans is a choice. If we want to discuss that in a separate thread, I'm all for it, but in the terms of this discussion, i think it's best to put that out there.

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These are completely different issues. Just as guns and bathrooms are. You would have a more relevant argument if public facilities were still segregated. But we realized that was the wrong thing to do a long time ago. We're catching up in the LGBT world.
No, they are very similar issues. Why is it ok for a man to identify as a woman, but it's not ok for a white woman to identify as a black woman? Somebody must have a way to rationalize this double-standard.
I don't have a problem with somebody identifying as another race. I don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. I do have a problem with unconstitutional, discriminatory, bigoted, and transphobic laws being passed under the false-pretense of "protecting children from sexual predators."

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You just said that you don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. So are you then ok with that person having the same rights protections and privileges as the animal he identifies as? For example, if I identify as a dog, are you ok with me shitting on the sidewalk or on a park as long as a human picks it up when I'm done? Please answer yes or no and explain.
I wouldn't have a problem with your identity, rather your action. A trans person using the restroom isn't harming anyone. A person shitting on the ground is indecent exposure, public defecation/urination, and vandalism.

Your analogies suck. They are a sign of a weak argument.

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So do you consider it to be indecent exposure when a dog shits on the sidewalk?
Have you seen my dog? I mean, seriously? :blink:
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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Please link to where anyone said that 'trans people aren't real'.

But I'm glad to see that while you accuse others of stereotyping, you have no problem doing so yourself.
By denying that this is a very real and very dangerous topic for trans people is as close to saying trans people aren't real as I can think a statement could be.
Let's say that allowing transgenders to legally use the opposite sex bathroom would increase violence against them. Would that make the law just?
irrelevant because they already do, so it wouldn't increase violence. what this law is doing is making their current actions illegal and forcing them (if they want to obey the law) into a very dangerous situation.

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It's only irrelevant because you don't want to answer the question. You have yet to convince me (and have avoided answering after multiple times of me asking) that a woman transgender entering a men's bathroom would encounter less violence in a men's bathroom than a women's.

And question #2: in which bathroom is it legal to physically assault someone?
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These are completely different issues. Just as guns and bathrooms are. You would have a more relevant argument if public facilities were still segregated. But we realized that was the wrong thing to do a long time ago. We're catching up in the LGBT world.
No, they are very similar issues. Why is it ok for a man to identify as a woman, but it's not ok for a white woman to identify as a black woman? Somebody must have a way to rationalize this double-standard.
I don't have a problem with somebody identifying as another race. I don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. I do have a problem with unconstitutional, discriminatory, bigoted, and transphobic laws being passed under the false-pretense of "protecting children from sexual predators."

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You just said that you don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. So are you then ok with that person having the same rights protections and privileges as the animal he identifies as? For example, if I identify as a dog, are you ok with me shitting on the sidewalk or on a park as long as a human picks it up when I'm done? Please answer yes or no and explain.
I wouldn't have a problem with your identity, rather your action. A trans person using the restroom isn't harming anyone. A person shitting on the ground is indecent exposure, public defecation/urination, and vandalism.

Your analogies suck. They are a sign of a weak argument.

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So do you consider it to be indecent exposure when a dog shits on the sidewalk?
Is this "gotcha!" Time? No, I don't. They aren't a human. Again, I know modernism is tough for you, but try to follow. I stated I don't care how someone identifies. I care about if people harm each other or are put in positions where harm will come to them. This bill doesn't stop creeps from harming people (it happens already), rather it puts an already vulnerable population in even more danger.

How many trans people have you talked to about this? Really no sense in talking to me, a straight white male. Go getcha some of that culture.

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So if I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Wow.....I said nothing of wanting to bring a dog into a bathroom, and I've never denied that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. Here you go again....changing the subject to argue against a narrative that was never even said by me.

So let's see if you can just answer the question. If I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Please link to where anyone said that 'trans people aren't real'.

But I'm glad to see that while you accuse others of stereotyping, you have no problem doing so yourself.
By denying that this is a very real and very dangerous topic for trans people is as close to saying trans people aren't real as I can think a statement could be.
Baloney. So if I acknowledge a problem exists but disagree with the solution offered, that somehow means I DON'T acknowledge it? That begs of special pleading.

Answer me this:

1. Do you believe that terrorist attacks exist?

2. Do you believe the Patriot Act is a just law?

thank you Brum....and it's worth noting that brian was replying to me, and I have never denied the existance of trans or the existance of a problem whatsoever.
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