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Mississippi & NC religious freedom laws
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Is this "gotcha!" Time? No, I don't. They aren't a human. Again, I know modernism is tough for you, but try to follow. I stated I don't care how someone identifies. I care about if people harm each other or are put in positions where harm will come to them. This bill doesn't stop creeps from harming people (it happens already), rather it puts an already vulnerable population in even more danger.

How many trans people have you talked to about this? Really no sense in talking to me, a straight white male. Go getcha some of that culture.

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So if I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Wow.....I said nothing of wanting to bring a dog into a bathroom, and I've never denied that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. Here you go again....changing the subject to argue against a narrative that was never even said by me.

So let's see if you can just answer the question. If I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
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you are a human. species is different than gender identity.

I hope i'm not spoiling your "gotcha!" attempt.

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Great. So why specifically am I not to be treated as a dog if I identify myself as a dog?
Because you're a human, not a dog. Gender identification is different than being a species. But I would take you on walks if you'd like and tear up your voter ID (since animals aren't allowed to vote) if it would make you feel better.

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how is it that you determine that I'm a human and not a dog even though I identify as a dog?
Because you're a human. Gender identification is different than species.

You're basically equating trans people with animals now.

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So if I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Wow.....I said nothing of wanting to bring a dog into a bathroom, and I've never denied that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. Here you go again....changing the subject to argue against a narrative that was never even said by me.

So let's see if you can just answer the question. If I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
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you are a human. species is different than gender identity.

I hope i'm not spoiling your "gotcha!" attempt.

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Great. So why specifically am I not to be treated as a dog if I identify myself as a dog?
Because you're a human, not a dog. Gender identification is different than being a species. But I would take you on walks if you'd like and tear up your voter ID (since animals aren't allowed to vote) if it would make you feel better.

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how is it that you determine that I'm a human and not a dog even though I identify as a dog?
Because you're a human. Gender identification is different than species.

You're basically equating trans people with animals now.

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I asked how you determine that I'm a human and not a dog even if I have said I identify myself as a dog. What criteria are you using to make that judgement and deny my self identification?

By the way, YOU made the comparison, not me.
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Aaron, I'm pretty sure you're a business owner and in Indiana. I highly recommend you attend one of these meetings:

http://www.indypflag.org/

While I'm happy that you've taken an interest in this topic and I'll be generous and assume your weird line of questioning here is you trying to learn more. And it will probably be difficult for you when this bill is deemed unconstitutional. To lessen the blow, it would help to familiarize yourself with the problem. Not in the "i've got a gay friend" token way, but through the actual words and experiences of people who face way different challenges than most people because of who they are. I mean, this is a forum of straight, white males.

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I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Wow.....I said nothing of wanting to bring a dog into a bathroom, and I've never denied that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. Here you go again....changing the subject to argue against a narrative that was never even said by me.

So let's see if you can just answer the question. If I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
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you are a human. species is different than gender identity.

I hope i'm not spoiling your "gotcha!" attempt.

br
Great. So why specifically am I not to be treated as a dog if I identify myself as a dog?
Because you're a human, not a dog. Gender identification is different than being a species. But I would take you on walks if you'd like and tear up your voter ID (since animals aren't allowed to vote) if it would make you feel better.

br
how is it that you determine that I'm a human and not a dog even though I identify as a dog?
Because you're a human. Gender identification is different than species.

You're basically equating trans people with animals now.

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I asked how you determine that I'm a human and not a dog even if I have said I identify myself as a dog. What criteria are you using to make that judgement and deny my self identification?

By the way, YOU made the comparison, not me.
I'm ok with doggies in restrooms. Even male doggies in female restrooms. woof woof.

but it remains the same, gender identification is different than species. humans have to abide by laws. unfortunately this law makes it really dangerous for some folks. Those types of laws are baaaad. And it's weird to see people defend them.

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Wow.....I said nothing of wanting to bring a dog into a bathroom, and I've never denied that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. Here you go again....changing the subject to argue against a narrative that was never even said by me.

So let's see if you can just answer the question. If I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
Bump to Brian.
you are a human. species is different than gender identity.

I hope i'm not spoiling your "gotcha!" attempt.

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Great. So why specifically am I not to be treated as a dog if I identify myself as a dog?
Because you're a human, not a dog. Gender identification is different than being a species. But I would take you on walks if you'd like and tear up your voter ID (since animals aren't allowed to vote) if it would make you feel better.

br
how is it that you determine that I'm a human and not a dog even though I identify as a dog?
Because you're a human. Gender identification is different than species.

You're basically equating trans people with animals now.

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I asked how you determine that I'm a human and not a dog even if I have said I identify myself as a dog. What criteria are you using to make that judgement and deny my self identification?

By the way, YOU made the comparison, not me.
I'm ok with doggies in restrooms. Even male doggies in female restrooms. woof woof.

but it remains the same, gender identification is different than species. humans have to abide by laws. unfortunately this law makes it really dangerous for some folks. Those types of laws are baaaad. And it's weird to see people defend them.

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You didn't answer the question and are taking leaps again to areas such as dogs in restrooms. Can you stick to the question?
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You just said that you don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. So are you then ok with that person having the same rights protections and privileges as the animal he identifies as? For example, if I identify as a dog, are you ok with me shitting on the sidewalk or on a park as long as a human picks it up when I'm done? Please answer yes or no and explain.
I wouldn't have a problem with your identity, rather your action. A trans person using the restroom isn't harming anyone. A person shitting on the ground is indecent exposure, public defecation/urination, and vandalism.

Your analogies suck. They are a sign of a weak argument.

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So do you consider it to be indecent exposure when a dog shits on the sidewalk?
Is this "gotcha!" Time? No, I don't. They aren't a human. Again, I know modernism is tough for you, but try to follow. I stated I don't care how someone identifies. I care about if people harm each other or are put in positions where harm will come to them. This bill doesn't stop creeps from harming people (it happens already), rather it puts an already vulnerable population in even more danger.

How many trans people have you talked to about this? Really no sense in talking to me, a straight white male. Go getcha some of that culture.

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So if I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Wow.....I said nothing of wanting to bring a dog into a bathroom, and I've never denied that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. Here you go again....changing the subject to argue against a narrative that was never even said by me.

So let's see if you can just answer the question. If I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
What would be your name if you were a dog?
Oooh, good question. I need to think on that. You know what you call a dog with steel balls?
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/28/health/oxford-alabama-transgender-bathroom-law/index.html
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Species is not the same as gender identification.

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http://www.upworthy.com/heres-what-itll-look-like-if-trans-people-arent-allowed-to-use-the-right-bathroom?c=ufb8
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Species is not the same as gender identification.

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And race identification is ok, which makes it closer to gender identification? It would be interesting to get some perspective from folks who are experts in biology and genetics.
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Species is not the same as gender identification.

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That was not my question. I mentioned nothing about gender identification. Are you not able to answer the question and justify your own statement?
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I wouldn't have a problem with your identity, rather your action. A trans person using the restroom isn't harming anyone. A person shitting on the ground is indecent exposure, public defecation/urination, and vandalism.

Your analogies suck. They are a sign of a weak argument.

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So do you consider it to be indecent exposure when a dog shits on the sidewalk?
Is this "gotcha!" Time? No, I don't. They aren't a human. Again, I know modernism is tough for you, but try to follow. I stated I don't care how someone identifies. I care about if people harm each other or are put in positions where harm will come to them. This bill doesn't stop creeps from harming people (it happens already), rather it puts an already vulnerable population in even more danger.

How many trans people have you talked to about this? Really no sense in talking to me, a straight white male. Go getcha some of that culture.

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So if I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Wow.....I said nothing of wanting to bring a dog into a bathroom, and I've never denied that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. Here you go again....changing the subject to argue against a narrative that was never even said by me.

So let's see if you can just answer the question. If I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
What would be your name if you were a dog?
Oooh, good question. I need to think on that. You know what you call a dog with steel balls?
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Sparky. :P
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Well, given that dogs and humans look completely different, I think I'd just know. Should we start a new thread to discuss this topic since it has nothing to do with this thread? Or is that the overall gotcha tactic you are employing?
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Well, given that dogs and humans look completely different, I think I'd just know. Should we start a new thread to discuss this topic since it has nothing to do with this thread? Or is that the overall gotcha tactic you are employing?
So because I don't look like a dog, you will determine that I am not a dog and do not have the same rights as a dog does even though I identify myself as a dog? Seriously? What a discriminatory anti-dog bigot you are if that is how you feel. Am I correct?
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Yes. I will go on record that dogs should not have the same rights as humans. Dogs shouldn't vote. They surely shouldn't drive, even if they are a very good dog.

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