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Mississippi & NC religious freedom laws
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Well, given that dogs and humans look completely different, I think I'd just know. Should we start a new thread to discuss this topic since it has nothing to do with this thread? Or is that the overall gotcha tactic you are employing?
So because I don't look like a dog, you will determine that I am not a dog and do not have the same rights as a dog does even though I identify myself as a dog? Seriously? What a discriminatory anti-dog bigot you are if that is how you feel. Am I correct?
Dude seriously this questioning dog/human thing is insane. You're embarrassing yourself. Besides, you wouldn't answer my question about how to identify a woman/man. You can't berate him for not answering yours (even though he did).
Brian actually brought it up, but of course you attack me because I'm the one you generally disagree with. I couldn't care less what you think of my questioning.
I wasn't attacking you because we disagree. In this case, I think we actually are more in agreement than disagreement. I get that he brought up the initial comparison but you have to admit that asking him how to determine whether someone is a human or a dog because they say they're a dog is just an extremely silly direction to take this conversation. If there was a point you were trying to drive home, I missed it.
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I don't have a problem with somebody identifying as another race. I don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. I do have a problem with unconstitutional, discriminatory, bigoted, and transphobic laws being passed under the false-pretense of "protecting children from sexual predators."

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You just said that you don't have a problem with someone identifying as an animal. So are you then ok with that person having the same rights protections and privileges as the animal he identifies as? For example, if I identify as a dog, are you ok with me shitting on the sidewalk or on a park as long as a human picks it up when I'm done? Please answer yes or no and explain.
I wouldn't have a problem with your identity, rather your action. A trans person using the restroom isn't harming anyone. A person shitting on the ground is indecent exposure, public defecation/urination, and vandalism.

Your analogies suck. They are a sign of a weak argument.

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So do you consider it to be indecent exposure when a dog shits on the sidewalk?
Is this "gotcha!" Time? No, I don't. They aren't a human. Again, I know modernism is tough for you, but try to follow. I stated I don't care how someone identifies. I care about if people harm each other or are put in positions where harm will come to them. This bill doesn't stop creeps from harming people (it happens already), rather it puts an already vulnerable population in even more danger.

How many trans people have you talked to about this? Really no sense in talking to me, a straight white male. Go getcha some of that culture.

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So if I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
I'm ok if someone brings a female dog into the men's room if that's the point you're trying to get at. Continue denying that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. You should attend an LGBT peer support meeting sometime. It's good for straight white people to do. Specifically men.
Wow.....I said nothing of wanting to bring a dog into a bathroom, and I've never denied that trans people are real and that transphobic violence occurs. Here you go again....changing the subject to argue against a narrative that was never even said by me.

So let's see if you can just answer the question. If I identify as a dog, am I also then "not human" or am I still human?
What would be your name if you were a dog?
Ummmm......Brumdog45. WTF.....I thought we were all dogs.
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Well, given that dogs and humans look completely different, I think I'd just know. Should we start a new thread to discuss this topic since it has nothing to do with this thread? Or is that the overall gotcha tactic you are employing?
So because I don't look like a dog, you will determine that I am not a dog and do not have the same rights as a dog does even though I identify myself as a dog? Seriously? What a discriminatory anti-dog bigot you are if that is how you feel. Am I correct?
Dude seriously this questioning dog/human thing is insane. You're embarrassing yourself. Besides, you wouldn't answer my question about how to identify a woman/man. You can't berate him for not answering yours (even though he did).
Brian actually brought it up, but of course you attack me because I'm the one you generally disagree with. I couldn't care less what you think of my questioning.
I wasn't attacking you because we disagree. In this case, I think we actually are more in agreement than disagreement. I get that he brought up the initial comparison but you have to admit that asking him how to determine whether someone is a human or a dog because they say they're a dog is just an extremely silly direction to take this conversation. If there was a point you were trying to drive home, I missed it.
you are correct....you missed it.
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Better make sure ObamaCare covers sex change operations.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals, with many people remaining severely distressed and even suicidal after the operation, according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow.
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/how-north-carolinas-bathroom-law-sparked-a-business-backlash/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pbsofficial&utm_campaign=newshour
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/how-north-carolinas-bathroom-law-sparked-a-business-backlash/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pbsofficial&utm_campaign=newshour
I don't think anyone is arguing that the bill could financially impact NC. The argument is on whether it is a just law or not.
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Brian and dreach, I have a question. In the trans bathroom situation, if a 3rd unisex or family restroom is available, should the trans person have to use that one or should they still be allowed to use the one opposite of their biological gender if that's what they identify with?
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Brian and dreach, I have a question. In the trans bathroom situation, if a 3rd unisex or family restroom is available, should the trans person have to use that one or should they still be allowed to use the one opposite of their biological gender if that's what they identify with?
Again, I just think people should use whichever bathroom they feel is appropriate at the time. I mentioned I have a daughter. I also have a son. Depending on the situation, I've brought them into the women's restroom before, usually because there's no changing table in a men's restroom. It was a simple matter of, "Is anyone in here? Is there a changing table I can use? Is that ok?" And I would either enter or wait and then go about my day.

I don't think every trans person feels comfortable using the opposite gender bathroom. I don't think all of them would feel comfortable using the family restroom (especially with those tiny toilets, amiright?) Everyone is different. The point is, they should have the option to choose which bathroom to go in that is most comfortable for them and others. And that may change depending on where they are and when.
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Yeah, I concur. They should just use whichever they feel comfortable with.
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Yeah, I concur. They should just use whichever they feel comfortable with.
So you have repeatedly said that its about safety and being out of harm's way. Now you seem to instead be saying that it is about comfort. Which is it? I would hate to think that you only use he violence/harm card when it fits the narrative.
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Comfort is safety. I feel more comfortable driving the speed limit because it is the safer decision for me and my family.
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Comfort is safety. I feel more comfortable driving the speed limit because it is the safer decision for me and my family.
Incorrect. I asked if a unisex or family restroom is available, should a trans person have to go to that one or can they still go to the men's or women's if they identify that way. You said it is whatever they are comfortable with. They are absolutely not in harms way in the family restroom, however you are contending that they can still not want to go to that one because they are more comfortable in a different one. In your own words here, safety was not comfort.
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Again, you should really go to an LGBT peer support group and learn about these issues from those most affected. Again, this is about their comfort, not yours. Also, many would say the same thing I would say in terms of family restrooms, why use them if they are intended for families/disabled folks? Also, being "forced" into a family restroom can make someone feel outed when they don't want to be.
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