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| brumdog44 | May 2 2016, 06:08 PM Post #301 |
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Tolerance and maturity are not legal principles. If they were solutions, there would be no hate crime legislation. There would be no need for legislation based on discrimination. There would no affirmative action. There would be no need for disability rights laws. There was, and is, need for legal principles based on what classes need protection and what actions constitute discriminatory practice. |
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| dreachon | May 2 2016, 06:28 PM Post #302 |
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Hmmm. You make a fair point. But isn't the lack of a law in this case giving the transgendered community equal rights (along with everyone else)? |
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| brumdog44 | May 2 2016, 06:56 PM Post #303 |
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Only if you assume that it is a right and if you assume that it isn't an infringement of other's rights. You must also keep in mind that transgender is not a federally protected class which would then mean it is left up to the states. I think that an argument can be made for making transgender a federally protected class and it can be argued whether restroom usage is contained within that. However, unless this is a federal decision -- a federal law -- I think that a state courts can only rule on this based on the state's laws. In terms of the Supreme Court ruling on this, I don't see how they can rule it to be a protected class unless the state has deemed it so. North Carolina clearly has not. It's different when we are talking about sexual orientation -- a federally protected class. |
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| dreachon | May 2 2016, 08:48 PM Post #304 |
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Well, I do believe they will be made a federally protected class in the near future, so maybe that's why I feel less concerned about establishing new law. |
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| sirbrianwilson | May 3 2016, 01:54 AM Post #305 |
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That's pretty much the reason why I disengaged here. WHEN they become a protected class, this conversation will be pointless. |
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| brumdog44 | May 3 2016, 07:00 AM Post #306 |
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Becoming a federally protected class doesn't end the conversation. At that point it still becomes a matter of what those protections mean. If it's spelled out in legislation, so be it. |
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| rkl15 | May 3 2016, 07:31 AM Post #307 |
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My take on this issue: USA Today Article on Bathroom Issue I didn't write the article obviously, but I cannot disagree with it! |
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| dreachon | May 3 2016, 08:04 AM Post #308 |
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I mean, pretty much nail on the head right there. |
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| sirbrianwilson | May 3 2016, 10:44 AM Post #309 |
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do like. |
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| sirbrianwilson | May 5 2016, 12:30 AM Post #310 |
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/justice-department-ncs-anti-lgbt-law-violates-us/story?id=38882535 |
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| brumdog44 | May 5 2016, 06:28 AM Post #311 |
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bri -- you have argued that gender identity and sex are not the same thing. Title 9 SPECIFICALLY deals with sex discrimination -- there is no mention of gender identity anywhere to be found in it. "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance." If you are agreeing with the DOJ's interpretation, then you have to agree with the argument that gender identity is a sex. Are you now going to make that argument? IMO, the bathroom law has the possibility of being struck down, but it will not be because of Title 9 -- complete misapplication of that law. |
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| dreachon | May 5 2016, 07:28 AM Post #312 |
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Just out of curiosity, would post-op transgender qualify? |
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| brumdog44 | May 5 2016, 11:50 AM Post #313 |
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I believe so, as I think that most (if not all) states recognize it as a change of sex. |
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| brumdog44 | May 13 2016, 09:49 PM Post #314 |
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This is why I posed the original question to you about schools. This IMO is the most overreaching I've seen from an executive order: the federal government telling states what to do in their public schools -- not only in the bathroom but in locker rooms as well.....at the potential cost of losing federal funding for disobeying it -- despite the guidelines NOT being law. http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/politics/transgender-bathrooms-obama-administration/index.html "The letter does not carry the force of law but the message was clear: Fall in line or face loss of federal funding." ...."Schools should let transgender students use bathrooms, locker rooms and other sex-segregated facilities consistent with their gender identity, according to the guidance."....."Schools cannot require students to have a medical diagnosis, undergo any medical treatment, or produce a birth certificate before treating them consistent with their gender identity, the guidance states." |
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| dreachon | May 13 2016, 10:10 PM Post #315 |
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Yeah that seems like a bad idea. Forget leaving it up to the states, individual districts probably need authority over how they're going to handle this. While one school might have lots of bathrooms and money to make changes easy, another may be severely overcrowded and lacking the funds to make significant changes. |
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