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Mississippi & NC religious freedom laws
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I think the question was about whether they should be allowed to use either the restroom of their physical sex or the unisex bathroom as opposed to their gender identity.
Yes. Dreach, are you with Brian that a person should be able to use the bathroom that they are more comfortable with even if that is the opposite of their biological sex and a unisex bathroom is available ?
Yes. Otherwise we would need a law saying they can't, which I'm against. Though I do think the overwhelming majority of the time, they would choose the unisex bathroom.
ok, so I'm curious. I am a straight white non trans male. Do you give me the same consideration? If I'm more comfortable in the women's restroom, is that where I should be allowed to go? I'm not talking about irregular situations with kids, or elderly, a disgustingly dirty men's restroom or lack of changing tables...etc. just a regular old situation where I need to pee and I determine that I'm more comfortable in the women's restroom. What do you say?
When is this actually a real life situation though? I prefer to deal in reality.

But, to answer your question, since I'm against a law telling you that you can't, then sure. There are probably lots of situations where it doesn't say you specifically can't do something but no one actually does because it doesn't make any sense. As long as everyone acts like mature adults. I really don't think there would ever be an issue. You're essentially describing unisex bathrooms, which we know work just fine.
Ok, fair enough. So the same thing then for a high school boy? If he feels more comfortable in the girls bathroom then that's the one he should be allowed to be in at school?
He's not an adult. He doesn't get to make that decision. Schools and locker rooms are inherently different situations.
This is why I posed the original question to you about schools. This IMO is the most overreaching I've seen from an executive order: the federal government telling states what to do in their public schools -- not only in the bathroom but in locker rooms as well.....at the potential cost of losing federal funding for disobeying it -- despite the guidelines NOT being law.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/politics/transgender-bathrooms-obama-administration/index.html

"The letter does not carry the force of law but the message was clear: Fall in line or face loss of federal funding."

...."Schools should let transgender students use bathrooms, locker rooms and other sex-segregated facilities consistent with their gender identity, according to the guidance."....."Schools cannot require students to have a medical diagnosis, undergo any medical treatment, or produce a birth certificate before treating them consistent with their gender identity, the guidance states."
Yeah that seems like a bad idea. Forget leaving it up to the states, individual districts probably need authority over how they're going to handle this. While one school might have lots of bathrooms and money to make changes easy, another may be severely overcrowded and lacking the funds to make significant changes.
And it isn't even a case of designating or making certain bathrooms unisex....the guidelines say that isn't good enough.
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King Obama decrees another law. Is anyone surprised? Go ahead and chalk up some more votes for Trump.
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My take on this issue:

USA Today Article on Bathroom Issue

I didn't write the article obviously, but I cannot disagree with it!
I mean, pretty much nail on the head right there.
man...this article really couldn't have missed the nail any further than it did. I can't believe you guys fall for these straw man arguments.
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My take on this issue:

USA Today Article on Bathroom Issue

I didn't write the article obviously, but I cannot disagree with it!
I mean, pretty much nail on the head right there.
man...this article really couldn't have missed the nail any further than it did. I can't believe you guys fall for these straw man arguments.
What, exactly, is the straw man here?
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King Obama decrees another law. Is anyone surprised? Go ahead and chalk up some more votes for Trump.
Are you really excited about the prospect of a president trump?
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King Obama decrees another law. Is anyone surprised? Go ahead and chalk up some more votes for Trump.
Are you really excited about the prospect of a president trump?
Not at all. You have to ask yourself if you'd prefer your shit sandwich with some condiments.
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King Obama decrees another law. Is anyone surprised? Go ahead and chalk up some more votes for Trump.
Are you really excited about the prospect of a president trump?
Not at all. You have to ask yourself if you'd prefer your shit sandwich with some condiments.
The party that wins the presidency will have some damage control for four years.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/obama-defends-transgender-directive-for-school-bathrooms.html?_r=0

President Obama on Monday made an impassioned argument for his administration’s decision to instruct public schools to allow transgender students to use the bathroom that matches their gender identity, saying that society must protect the dignity and safety of vulnerable children.

Dreach, do you agree with the President?
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I have to say I disagree with Mr President.

By using a Transgender bathroom every student in the school will know. It will just advertise the issue.

That will only increase the amount of Bullying that student will endure.

Kids can be cruel and no law or special bathroom is going to help the situation.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/obama-defends-transgender-directive-for-school-bathrooms.html?_r=0

President Obama on Monday made an impassioned argument for his administration’s decision to instruct public schools to allow transgender students to use the bathroom that matches their gender identity, saying that society must protect the dignity and safety of vulnerable children.

Dreach, do you agree with the President?
I think I've made my position pretty clear on how I believe schools should handle this, and it doesn't involve a blanket solution of "just let the kids use the other bathroom".
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/obama-defends-transgender-directive-for-school-bathrooms.html?_r=0

President Obama on Monday made an impassioned argument for his administration’s decision to instruct public schools to allow transgender students to use the bathroom that matches their gender identity, saying that society must protect the dignity and safety of vulnerable children.

Dreach, do you agree with the President?
I think I've made my position pretty clear on how I believe schools should handle this, and it doesn't involve a blanket solution of "just let the kids use the other bathroom".
so you disagree with the President?
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I have to say I disagree with Mr President.

By using a Transgender bathroom every student in the school will know. It will just advertise the issue.

That will only increase the amount of Bullying that student will endure.

Kids can be cruel and no law or special bathroom is going to help the situation.
Why doesn't he just decree that discrimination will end? And maybe decree peace in the Middle East too?
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I have to say I disagree with Mr President.

By using a Transgender bathroom every student in the school will know. It will just advertise the issue.

That will only increase the amount of Bullying that student will endure.

Kids can be cruel and no law or special bathroom is going to help the situation.
i don't think the President is calling for a "transgender bathroom"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/obama-defends-transgender-directive-for-school-bathrooms.html?_r=0

President Obama on Monday made an impassioned argument for his administration’s decision to instruct public schools to allow transgender students to use the bathroom that matches their gender identity, saying that society must protect the dignity and safety of vulnerable children.

Dreach, do you agree with the President?
I think I've made my position pretty clear on how I believe schools should handle this, and it doesn't involve a blanket solution of "just let the kids use the other bathroom".
so you disagree with the President?
Isn't that what I just said?
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