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May 19 2016, 05:46 AM
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Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
This. I wasn't avoiding the question. The question isn't applicable to private businesses. If the children's waterpark is located at a public swimming pool or something, then we can talk.
Dude.....this issue absolutely impacts private businesses. You are both wrong. According to the Charlotte law, any business who offers bathrooms to the public would have to allow a person to go to the bathroom they identify with. Not just public buildings. That being said, are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place. But we're talking about my opinion here. I'm not arguing in favor of the Charlotte law. Without a bathroom law in place, private business can do whatever they want with their bathrooms.
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May 19 2016, 07:34 AM
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Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
This. I wasn't avoiding the question. The question isn't applicable to private businesses. If the children's waterpark is located at a public swimming pool or something, then we can talk.
Dude.....this issue absolutely impacts private businesses. You are both wrong. According to the Charlotte law, any business who offers bathrooms to the public would have to allow a person to go to the bathroom they identify with. Not just public buildings. That being said, are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place.
But we're talking about my opinion here. I'm not arguing in favor of the Charlotte law. Without a bathroom law in place, private business can do whatever they want with their bathrooms. I should also note, that I could see a situation similar to the baking a cake for a gay wedding. If a private business chooses to have a public restroom and let anyone use it, then they can't restrict transgender use either. Something along those lines.
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Mr Gray
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May 19 2016, 10:05 AM
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Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
This. I wasn't avoiding the question. The question isn't applicable to private businesses. If the children's waterpark is located at a public swimming pool or something, then we can talk.
Dude.....this issue absolutely impacts private businesses. You are both wrong. According to the Charlotte law, any business who offers bathrooms to the public would have to allow a person to go to the bathroom they identify with. Not just public buildings. That being said, are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place.
But we're talking about my opinion here. I'm not arguing in favor of the Charlotte law. Without a bathroom law in place, private business can do whatever they want with their bathrooms. yes, I am asking for clarification of your opinion so I can try to understand it. Are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place.
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May 19 2016, 10:06 AM
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Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
This. I wasn't avoiding the question. The question isn't applicable to private businesses. If the children's waterpark is located at a public swimming pool or something, then we can talk.
Dude.....this issue absolutely impacts private businesses. You are both wrong. According to the Charlotte law, any business who offers bathrooms to the public would have to allow a person to go to the bathroom they identify with. Not just public buildings. That being said, are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place.
But we're talking about my opinion here. I'm not arguing in favor of the Charlotte law. Without a bathroom law in place, private business can do whatever they want with their bathrooms.
I should also note, that I could see a situation similar to the baking a cake for a gay wedding. If a private business chooses to have a public restroom and let anyone use it, then they can't restrict transgender use either. Something along those lines. ok, but can (in your opinion/world) they restrict people from going into the bathroom that they feel is "appropriate".
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 The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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May 19 2016, 10:17 AM
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oh boy....the subject of public accommodations came up and I see eel lurking already.....his favorite topic.
Favorite topic?
we've had long long long discussions about "public accomodations" and how they relate to your inconsistency regarding smoking laws.
If you are against public smoking laws (despite it affecting other's health) but are for bathroom laws that keep one sex from entering the other bathroom (you have cited safety reasons), then that seems pretty inconsistent to me. Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order. I'm actually completely consistent in this brum. I think that a private business should be able to make their own bathroom policy. If they want to let guys go into the women's restroom, that's their choice, and if I don't like it, I don't have to go there. Exactly like my smoking ban policy.
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 The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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May 19 2016, 02:09 PM
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Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
This. I wasn't avoiding the question. The question isn't applicable to private businesses. If the children's waterpark is located at a public swimming pool or something, then we can talk.
Dude.....this issue absolutely impacts private businesses. You are both wrong. According to the Charlotte law, any business who offers bathrooms to the public would have to allow a person to go to the bathroom they identify with. Not just public buildings. That being said, are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place.
But we're talking about my opinion here. I'm not arguing in favor of the Charlotte law. Without a bathroom law in place, private business can do whatever they want with their bathrooms.
I should also note, that I could see a situation similar to the baking a cake for a gay wedding. If a private business chooses to have a public restroom and let anyone use it, then they can't restrict transgender use either. Something along those lines.
ok, but can (in your opinion/world) they restrict people from going into the bathroom that they feel is "appropriate". Right now they can. I'm saying I would consider a law similar to the cake baker's law. But there isn't one right now so a private business can restrict transgenders until they become a federally protected group, which I would be in favor of.
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May 19 2016, 02:55 PM
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oh boy....the subject of public accommodations came up and I see eel lurking already.....his favorite topic.
Favorite topic?
we've had long long long discussions about "public accomodations" and how they relate to your inconsistency regarding smoking laws.
If you are against public smoking laws (despite it affecting other's health) but are for bathroom laws that keep one sex from entering the other bathroom (you have cited safety reasons), then that seems pretty inconsistent to me. Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
I'm actually completely consistent in this brum. I think that a private business should be able to make their own bathroom policy. If they want to let guys go into the women's restroom, that's their choice, and if I don't like it, I don't have to go there. Exactly like my smoking ban policy. So the whole thing about "do you want nasty sex crime perverts using the same bathroom as your daughter?" was just scare tactics on your part to protect 'freedom'?
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May 19 2016, 04:35 PM
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Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
This. I wasn't avoiding the question. The question isn't applicable to private businesses. If the children's waterpark is located at a public swimming pool or something, then we can talk.
Dude.....this issue absolutely impacts private businesses. You are both wrong. According to the Charlotte law, any business who offers bathrooms to the public would have to allow a person to go to the bathroom they identify with. Not just public buildings. That being said, are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place.
But we're talking about my opinion here. I'm not arguing in favor of the Charlotte law. Without a bathroom law in place, private business can do whatever they want with their bathrooms.
I should also note, that I could see a situation similar to the baking a cake for a gay wedding. If a private business chooses to have a public restroom and let anyone use it, then they can't restrict transgender use either. Something along those lines.
ok, but can (in your opinion/world) they restrict people from going into the bathroom that they feel is "appropriate".
Right now they can. I'm saying I would consider a law similar to the cake baker's law. But there isn't one right now so a private business can restrict transgenders until they become a federally protected group, which I would be in favor of. I'm talking about your statement that people should be able to go into the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. This has nothing to do with federally protected classes.
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 The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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May 19 2016, 04:35 PM
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oh boy....the subject of public accommodations came up and I see eel lurking already.....his favorite topic.
Favorite topic?
we've had long long long discussions about "public accomodations" and how they relate to your inconsistency regarding smoking laws.
If you are against public smoking laws (despite it affecting other's health) but are for bathroom laws that keep one sex from entering the other bathroom (you have cited safety reasons), then that seems pretty inconsistent to me. Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
I'm actually completely consistent in this brum. I think that a private business should be able to make their own bathroom policy. If they want to let guys go into the women's restroom, that's their choice, and if I don't like it, I don't have to go there. Exactly like my smoking ban policy.
So the whole thing about "do you want nasty sex crime perverts using the same bathroom as your daughter?" was just scare tactics on your part to protect 'freedom'? Not at all.
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 The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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May 19 2016, 07:17 PM
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Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
This. I wasn't avoiding the question. The question isn't applicable to private businesses. If the children's waterpark is located at a public swimming pool or something, then we can talk.
Dude.....this issue absolutely impacts private businesses. You are both wrong. According to the Charlotte law, any business who offers bathrooms to the public would have to allow a person to go to the bathroom they identify with. Not just public buildings. That being said, are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place.
But we're talking about my opinion here. I'm not arguing in favor of the Charlotte law. Without a bathroom law in place, private business can do whatever they want with their bathrooms.
I should also note, that I could see a situation similar to the baking a cake for a gay wedding. If a private business chooses to have a public restroom and let anyone use it, then they can't restrict transgender use either. Something along those lines.
ok, but can (in your opinion/world) they restrict people from going into the bathroom that they feel is "appropriate".
Right now they can. I'm saying I would consider a law similar to the cake baker's law. But there isn't one right now so a private business can restrict transgenders until they become a federally protected group, which I would be in favor of.
I'm talking about your statement that people should be able to go into the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. This has nothing to do with federally protected classes. Ok. So it seemed like our discussion got broken off into 2. I'll try to clarify.
I don't believe there should be a law (for public or private locations) that forces someone to go into a particular bathroom.
For public facilities, that means people will go into whichever bathroom they are comfortable with. Basically, it's exactly how it is now everywhere except North Carolina.
For private businesses, it means they can certainly designate the uses of their bathrooms, if they choose to have them at all. However, I would consider a law that states if a private business chooses to offer non-unisex public restrooms, then they also cannot dictate who goes into which restroom.
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May 19 2016, 08:37 PM
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Anyway, private businesses are not subject to the NC bathroom bill nor Obama's executive order.
This. I wasn't avoiding the question. The question isn't applicable to private businesses. If the children's waterpark is located at a public swimming pool or something, then we can talk.
Dude.....this issue absolutely impacts private businesses. You are both wrong. According to the Charlotte law, any business who offers bathrooms to the public would have to allow a person to go to the bathroom they identify with. Not just public buildings. That being said, are you saying that people should only be able to go to the bathroom that they feel is appropriate if they are in a public place? If so, define public place.
But we're talking about my opinion here. I'm not arguing in favor of the Charlotte law. Without a bathroom law in place, private business can do whatever they want with their bathrooms.
I should also note, that I could see a situation similar to the baking a cake for a gay wedding. If a private business chooses to have a public restroom and let anyone use it, then they can't restrict transgender use either. Something along those lines.
ok, but can (in your opinion/world) they restrict people from going into the bathroom that they feel is "appropriate".
Right now they can. I'm saying I would consider a law similar to the cake baker's law. But there isn't one right now so a private business can restrict transgenders until they become a federally protected group, which I would be in favor of.
I'm talking about your statement that people should be able to go into the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. This has nothing to do with federally protected classes.
Ok. So it seemed like our discussion got broken off into 2. I'll try to clarify. I don't believe there should be a law (for public or private locations) that forces someone to go into a particular bathroom. For public facilities, that means people will go into whichever bathroom they are comfortable with. Basically, it's exactly how it is now everywhere except North Carolina. For private businesses, it means they can certainly designate the uses of their bathrooms, if they choose to have them at all. However, I would consider a law that states if a private business chooses to offer non-unisex public restrooms, then they also cannot dictate who goes into which restroom. Ok, so if I own a child oriented business that offers bathrooms, I would have to allow a man to go into the girls bathroom if that's where he feels appropriate? Is that how you feel?
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 The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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May 19 2016, 08:37 PM
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I would not say it is simply true that people go into the bathroom where they feel most comfortable. If you don't 'look the part' -- regardless of whether it is outside North Carolina or not -- there are going to be issues if you do not walk into the 'proper bathroom', there would be issues.
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May 19 2016, 08:48 PM
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how did we ever survive all of these years without a ban?
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I would not say it is simply true that people go into the bathroom where they feel most comfortable. If you don't 'look the part' -- regardless of whether it is outside North Carolina or not -- there are going to be issues if you do not walk into the 'proper bathroom', there would be issues. You understand that dreach is saying that people should be able to go into whichever bathroom they feel is "appropriate" right?
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how did we ever survive all of these years without a ban?
br How did we survive all these years without Charlotte's law? You see how that works Brian.
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