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Mississippi & NC religious freedom laws
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brumdog44 Apr 25 2016, 03:40 PM Post #121
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Just a quick "Google" search states that .02 to .03 percent of the population are transgender.

I thought your number sounded incorrect, so I did a quick google search like you said. It's not .02 to .03 percent, it's .2 to .3 percent. That is quite a difference....it turn's 70,000 people to 700,000 people.

While I'm against the Charlotte law, I think the numbers need to be accurate.
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so are you saying you support the right of the mentally ill to purchase guns, or that you do not support the Charlotte Law?
No and correct. I did not support the Charlotte law and I do not support the NC bathroom bill law. Neither. But if we have to have ONE of the laws, the Charlotte law is better to have on the books than the NC law.

My main point is merely that you're judging the Charlotte law based people breaking it. The Charlotte law doesn't make it legal for men to stalk, rape, sexually assault, harass, spy, or peep on women in the women's bathroom. If they lie about being transgender and then use that to harass women, then they are still breaking the law.
dreach.....even if they aren't harassing my daughter....I don't want a man in the bathroom with my daughter.....notice I said "man" not "trans"......MAN. You have to understand that if you're going to understand the argument. Not sure if you have daughters or not, but if not then it might be hard for you to understand.
I do have a daughter so I do know where you are coming from. But as I just stated, a man claiming he's trans for the sole purpose of peeping on women is still breaking the law. I don't want that man in the women's restroom any more than you do. But a man who identifies as a woman? I don't care. Cuz that "man" is not going to be in there harassing my daughter. He's going to be in there going to the bathroom.
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a man claiming he's trans for the sole purpose of peeping on women is still breaking the law
Under the Charlotte law, how so? *Note....you added the word "peeping", but I'm not sure if you did that to change the argument or not
Ok. well let's pretend a man claims he's transgender, but he's not really. He goes into a women's restroom, goes into the stall, goes to the bathroom, exits the stall, washes his hands, and leaves. Did he break the law? No. I guess not. But are our women in danger? No. Women's restrooms don't have urinals so it't not like this guy is going to be walking around big swinging dick in hand. And what's there to spy on? Unless he's specifically trying to peep on women, all he's going to get is a big ol eyeful of women washing their hands and doing their makeup. You're primary concern is about the protection of our women and daughters. So the only time they are in danger is when some guy is doing this specifically to break the law. In which case, he can do that whether there's a Charlotte law or not.
dreach....this law is equal to allowing people to hang out inside bank vaults after hours.....they're not breaking the law unless they actually rob the bank, however they are certainly putting themselves in a better position to pull of the crime.
Don't think this analogy works considering banks are not public property and the laws with bathrooms are not dealing with private facilities.
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so are you saying you support the right of the mentally ill to purchase guns, or that you do not support the Charlotte Law?
No and correct. I did not support the Charlotte law and I do not support the NC bathroom bill law. Neither. But if we have to have ONE of the laws, the Charlotte law is better to have on the books than the NC law.

My main point is merely that you're judging the Charlotte law based people breaking it. The Charlotte law doesn't make it legal for men to stalk, rape, sexually assault, harass, spy, or peep on women in the women's bathroom. If they lie about being transgender and then use that to harass women, then they are still breaking the law.
dreach.....even if they aren't harassing my daughter....I don't want a man in the bathroom with my daughter.....notice I said "man" not "trans"......MAN. You have to understand that if you're going to understand the argument. Not sure if you have daughters or not, but if not then it might be hard for you to understand.
I do have a daughter so I do know where you are coming from. But as I just stated, a man claiming he's trans for the sole purpose of peeping on women is still breaking the law. I don't want that man in the women's restroom any more than you do. But a man who identifies as a woman? I don't care. Cuz that "man" is not going to be in there harassing my daughter. He's going to be in there going to the bathroom.
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a man claiming he's trans for the sole purpose of peeping on women is still breaking the law
Under the Charlotte law, how so? *Note....you added the word "peeping", but I'm not sure if you did that to change the argument or not
Ok. well let's pretend a man claims he's transgender, but he's not really. He goes into a women's restroom, goes into the stall, goes to the bathroom, exits the stall, washes his hands, and leaves. Did he break the law? No. I guess not. But are our women in danger? No. Women's restrooms don't have urinals so it't not like this guy is going to be walking around big swinging dick in hand. And what's there to spy on? Unless he's specifically trying to peep on women, all he's going to get is a big ol eyeful of women washing their hands and doing their makeup. You're primary concern is about the protection of our women and daughters. So the only time they are in danger is when some guy is doing this specifically to break the law. In which case, he can do that whether there's a Charlotte law or not.
dreach....this law is equal to allowing people to hang out inside bank vaults after hours.....they're not breaking the law unless they actually rob the bank, however they are certainly putting themselves in a better position to pull of the crime.
Don't think this analogy works considering banks are not public property and the laws with bathrooms are not dealing with private facilities.
Yeah, I was going to jump on this. These two things are not remotely close.
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Just a quick "Google" search states that .02 to .03 percent of the population are transgender.

I thought your number sounded incorrect, so I did a quick google search like you said. It's not .02 to .03 percent, it's .2 to .3 percent. That is quite a difference....it turn's 70,000 people to 700,000 people.

While I'm against the Charlotte law, I think the numbers need to be accurate.
When you guys were looking for stats, did you see anything classifying the types of trans people, e.g. ones with multiple sex organs, and ones with mental disorders, e.g. Daitlyn Jenner.
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Just a quick "Google" search states that .02 to .03 percent of the population are transgender.

I thought your number sounded incorrect, so I did a quick google search like you said. It's not .02 to .03 percent, it's .2 to .3 percent. That is quite a difference....it turn's 70,000 people to 700,000 people.

While I'm against the Charlotte law, I think the numbers need to be accurate.
When you guys were looking for stats, did you see anything classifying the types of trans people, e.g. ones with multiple sex organs, and ones with mental disorders, e.g. Daitlyn Jenner.
All you are doing is providing evidence for the opposing viewpoint. Congratulations.
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Just a quick "Google" search states that .02 to .03 percent of the population are transgender.

I thought your number sounded incorrect, so I did a quick google search like you said. It's not .02 to .03 percent, it's .2 to .3 percent. That is quite a difference....it turn's 70,000 people to 700,000 people.

While I'm against the Charlotte law, I think the numbers need to be accurate.
When you guys were looking for stats, did you see anything classifying the types of trans people, e.g. ones with multiple sex organs, and ones with mental disorders, e.g. Daitlyn Jenner.
Wtf

North Carolina has spoken, folks.
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Just a quick "Google" search states that .02 to .03 percent of the population are transgender.

I thought your number sounded incorrect, so I did a quick google search like you said. It's not .02 to .03 percent, it's .2 to .3 percent. That is quite a difference....it turn's 70,000 people to 700,000 people.

While I'm against the Charlotte law, I think the numbers need to be accurate.
When you guys were looking for stats, did you see anything classifying the types of trans people, e.g. ones with multiple sex organs, and ones with mental disorders, e.g. Daitlyn Jenner.
Wtf

North Carolina has spoken, folks.
He's a Washington guy. Those guys are nuts.
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Ha. For some reason I thought it was bg that posted that.

But my point remains, that exact mentality is what is true motive of this discriminatory and unconstitutional bill.
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Just a quick "Google" search states that .02 to .03 percent of the population are transgender.

I thought your number sounded incorrect, so I did a quick google search like you said. It's not .02 to .03 percent, it's .2 to .3 percent. That is quite a difference....it turn's 70,000 people to 700,000 people.

While I'm against the Charlotte law, I think the numbers need to be accurate.
When you guys were looking for stats, did you see anything classifying the types of trans people, e.g. ones with multiple sex organs, and ones with mental disorders, e.g. Daitlyn Jenner.
All you are doing is providing evidence for the opposing viewpoint. Congratulations.
How so? It's a medical fact that some people are biologically confused, which is very different from a man suddenly deciding to become a woman. The latter could be due to hormonal or emotional issues, and the latter can be classified as a type of mental disorder.
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And could someone please explain why the white woman who identified as black was ridiculed by the pro-LGBT posters on this message board? I never got a good answer about why it's ok to identify with the opposite sex, but not with a different race.
Why are you ignoring this question?
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These are completely different issues. Just as guns and bathrooms are. You would have a more relevant argument if public facilities were still segregated. But we realized that was the wrong thing to do a long time ago. We're catching up in the LGBT world.
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http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article73394937.html
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These are completely different issues. Just as guns and bathrooms are. You would have a more relevant argument if public facilities were still segregated. But we realized that was the wrong thing to do a long time ago. We're catching up in the LGBT world.
Sorry, but the link on bathrooms separated by race is NOT synonymous with bathrooms separated by sex.
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Just a quick "Google" search states that .02 to .03 percent of the population are transgender.

I thought your number sounded incorrect, so I did a quick google search like you said. It's not .02 to .03 percent, it's .2 to .3 percent. That is quite a difference....it turn's 70,000 people to 700,000 people.

While I'm against the Charlotte law, I think the numbers need to be accurate.
When you guys were looking for stats, did you see anything classifying the types of trans people, e.g. ones with multiple sex organs, and ones with mental disorders, e.g. Daitlyn Jenner.
All you are doing is providing evidence for the opposing viewpoint. Congratulations.
How so? It's a medical fact that some people are biologically confused, which is very different from a man suddenly deciding to become a woman. The latter could be due to hormonal or emotional issues, and the latter can be classified as a type of mental disorder.
Because your statement assumes that if you are transgender that you either have 'multiple sex organs' or or mentally disordered.....or basically that anyone who isn't intersex must be mentally disordered if they are transgender.

What you are referring to as 'multiple sex organs' is a rare condition, one that often involves either the parents making a choice while the child is a young age or one that people make in their teenage years to be operated on to physically resemble one or the other. That number is likely less than 50,000 in the U.S.
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http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article73394937.html
This article is total joke.
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