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sirbrianwilson May 10 2016, 08:13 PM Post #16
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I think it's great that more people of color are graduating from our most respected military academies compared to the years of past. And if this is a sign of solidarity for their brothers and sisters, good on them. But at the end of the day, how sad is it that people are getting super offended by this...and by people, i mean white people.

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Puh-lease. There is a reason that there is a military rule limiting political activity in the military.

Anyway, internal review has already reached their conclusion and stated that the cadets did not pre-plan their gesture nor mean it as a political statement. I hope that you aren't super offended by them not showing a sign of solidarity for their brothers and sisters.
I never said it was a political statement. But if it were I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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I think it's great that more people of color are graduating from our most respected military academies compared to the years of past. And if this is a sign of solidarity for their brothers and sisters, good on them. But at the end of the day, how sad is it that people are getting super offended by this...and by people, i mean white people.

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Puh-lease. There is a reason that there is a military rule limiting political activity in the military.

Anyway, internal review has already reached their conclusion and stated that the cadets did not pre-plan their gesture nor mean it as a political statement. I hope that you aren't super offended by them not showing a sign of solidarity for their brothers and sisters.
I never said it was a political statement. But if it were I wouldn't have a problem with it.
But in your opinion, if someone had a problem with it, they are racist. That much is obvious from your statement. As I said, there is a reason that the U.S. Department of defense has rules limiting political activity. And servicemen and women are subject to these rules.
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I never used the word racist. And if it were a showing of solidarity to their brothers and sisters succeeding in a system that has traditionally suppressed their demographic, I can't fathom how that's a political statement. Celebrating the success and pride of ones own culture is not political.
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Anyway, internal review has already reached their conclusion and stated that the cadets did not pre-plan their gesture nor mean it as a political statement.
Whaaaaaaaat? How is that possible when I heard earlier in the thread that these girls are disgraceful?
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I never used the word racist. And if it were a showing of solidarity to their brothers and sisters succeeding in a system that has traditionally suppressed their demographic, I can't fathom how that's a political statement. Celebrating the success and pride of ones own culture is not political.
So I guess by 'white people', you weren't talking about race. Be real.

You 100% meant the word racist. It's fine if that is your opinion, but making your statements and then not owning them is dishonest. If you aren't going to be honest, there is no reason to have a discussion.

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I never used the word racist. And if it were a showing of solidarity to their brothers and sisters succeeding in a system that has traditionally suppressed their demographic, I can't fathom how that's a political statement. Celebrating the success and pride of ones own culture is not political.
So I guess by 'white people', you weren't talking about race. Be real.

You 100% meant the word racist. It's fine if that is your opinion, but making your statements and then not owning them is dishonest. If you aren't going to be honest, there is no reason to have a discussion.

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Not feeling this post, Brum. How are you going to tell him what he 100% meant? For one, I've said on here before that racism is such an innate part of our culture now that exhibiting racism doesn't necessarily mean a person is racist. It happens subconsciously every day. I can't speak for Bri, but if a white person was offended by that photo, it would be racism, but that doesn't mean I think the person is a straight up racist.

I'm also not feeling how yer gonna call out Bri like that and not say anything about the people who actually were offended by the picture. Jumping to the conclusion that because this is a group of black women they MUST have been supporting a BLM movement (or something to that effect) is inherently a racist reaction, is it not?
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Racism is a pretty overused word. I think I'd label it more ignorance than anything.
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I never used the word racist. And if it were a showing of solidarity to their brothers and sisters succeeding in a system that has traditionally suppressed their demographic, I can't fathom how that's a political statement. Celebrating the success and pride of ones own culture is not political.
So I guess by 'white people', you weren't talking about race. Be real.

You 100% meant the word racist. It's fine if that is your opinion, but making your statements and then not owning them is dishonest. If you aren't going to be honest, there is no reason to have a discussion.

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Not feeling this post, Brum. How are you going to tell him what he 100% meant? For one, I've said on here before that racism is such an innate part of our culture now that exhibiting racism doesn't necessarily mean a person is racist. It happens subconsciously every day. I can't speak for Bri, but if a white person was offended by that photo, it would be racism, but that doesn't mean I think the person is a straight up racist.

I'm also not feeling how yer gonna call out Bri like that and not say anything about the people who actually were offended by the picture. Jumping to the conclusion that because this is a group of black women they MUST have been supporting a BLM movement (or something to that effect) is inherently a racist reaction, is it not?
100% no. I've stated multiple times that there are reasons that the U.S. Department of defense limits political activity of servicemen. And bri says he would have been okay with it if that was their intention and he was the one using the term 'white people' about anyone who would complain about it. So whether or not it was a political protest or not, bri was fine with it.

Your statement that 'if a white person is offended by that photo it is racism' is 100% not true as well. Your assumption is based on a couple of misnomers:

-- I'm perfectly willing to wait on what the investigation said as I didn't know what it was for. But to assume that one is racist if they have doubts about it....come on. There was an investigation on it for a reason.

-- the assumption that the reason it would be offensive to people because if it were for BLM is racism. But, ya see, I'm in favor of BLM.....but in a military photo, it would not be appropriate nor follow military guidelines on political activity.

-- bri further states that "And if it were a showing of solidarity to their brothers and sisters succeeding in a system that has traditionally suppressed their demographic, I can't fathom how that's a political statement." I'm sorry, but that is 1000000% a political statement. And I'm not saying it's an incorrect one, but my God that's the definition of political. We are taking about a how a government institution has been run.
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How ridiculous some of you have become. Wow.....just wow. This is beyond laughable.

1) If you honestly don't believe that this gesture was an intentional acknowledgement of the black lives matter movement, you're truly insane.

2) the fist symbol often used by the blm movement was derived from the black power/black panthers movement. Do some reading if you don't think that's racism.....and it isn't subconscious racism.

3) you would not feel the same if a group of white supremists did something like this.

Am I offended? Nope....because unlike the pussies that this world is becoming with their liberal sensitivity to almost everything, I have thick skin. I don't easily get offended. But, is it disgraceful to display a racist symbol in a military capacity? Yep.
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Your statement that 'if a white person is offended by that photo it is racism' is 100% not true as well. Your assumption is based on a couple of misnomers:

-- I'm perfectly willing to wait on what the investigation said as I didn't know what it was for. But to assume that one is racist if they have doubts about it....come on. There was an investigation on it for a reason.
This is what I'd like to focus on.

If a white person was offended by the photo, yes, that is a racist reaction. Let's look at why.

1) You said you were willing to wait on the investigation because you didn't know what the fists were for. And if people looked at that photo and had doubts about whether they were just doing it for solidarity and not part of a political movement, that's not racist.

I totally agree.

2) But the point is many people DIDN'T wait for the investigation. They didn't consider that it wasn't part of a BLM movement. They looked at the photo, saw some black women with their fists in the air, and then assumed it must have been part of the BLM movement with no room for interpretation. That's when the reaction involves racism. It's not that they're offended because it's BLM. It's that they assumed it HAD to be a BLM gesture in the first place.

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How ridiculous some of you have become. Wow.....just wow. This is beyond laughable.

1) If you honestly don't believe that this gesture was an intentional acknowledgement of the black lives matter movement, you're truly insane.

2) the fist symbol often used by the blm movement was derived from the black power/black panthers movement. Do some reading if you don't think that's racism.....and it isn't subconscious racism.

3) you would not feel the same if a group of white supremists did something like this.

Am I offended? Nope....because unlike the pussies that this world is becoming with their liberal sensitivity to almost everything, I have thick skin. I don't easily get offended. But, is it disgraceful to display a racist symbol in a military capacity? Yep.
1) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You don't even believe it when West Point does an investigation and determines it wasn't a political gesture and I'M the one who has become ridiculous and insane.

2) Because no one has ever raised their fists in the air unless it was for BLM

3) How do I feel about this again? Personally, if it had been a BLM gesture, I would have been in favor of them being punished. So go ahead and tell me how I would feel if it were white supremacists.

4) It's not about being offended. It's about cadets breaking the rules. Doesn't matter if it had been BLM or another gesture, if they were making a political statement, that's breaking the rules.
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I guess I am truly insane then. I am not sure it was a BLM gesture.
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How ridiculous some of you have become. Wow.....just wow. This is beyond laughable.

1) If you honestly don't believe that this gesture was an intentional acknowledgement of the black lives matter movement, you're truly insane.

2) the fist symbol often used by the blm movement was derived from the black power/black panthers movement. Do some reading if you don't think that's racism.....and it isn't subconscious racism.

3) you would not feel the same if a group of white supremists did something like this.

Am I offended? Nope....because unlike the pussies that this world is becoming with their liberal sensitivity to almost everything, I have thick skin. I don't easily get offended. But, is it disgraceful to display a racist symbol in a military capacity? Yep.
1) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You don't even believe it when West Point does an investigation and determines it wasn't a political gesture and I'M the one who has become ridiculous and insane.

2) Because no one has ever raised their fists in the air unless it was for BLM

3) How do I feel about this again? Personally, if it had been a BLM gesture, I would have been in favor of them being punished. So go ahead and tell me how I would feel if it were white supremacists.

4) It's not about being offended. It's about cadets breaking the rules. Doesn't matter if it had been BLM or another gesture, if they were making a political statement, that's breaking the rules.
you think the West Point "investigation" is conclusive and accept the fact it defies all common sense? Yeah......keep living in that world. There is no way to truly "investigate" this other than to ask the girls, and of course they aren't going to admit that they broke the rules.

I suppose Beyonce wasn't referencing BLM or the black power movement also? And certainly it's safe to say that these young black girls weren't influenced by a socially significant female black icon. yernuts

You guys need to stop with the removal of all common sense for the sake of political correctness....this one is pretty obvious

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I guess I am truly insane then. I am not sure it was a BLM gesture.
yes, you are.
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Lol. Now the West Point Cadets were doing it because...Beyonce.

Question aaron: Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand the cadets? Did you read the report?
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