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dreachon May 11 2016, 04:13 PM Post #46
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Lol. Now the West Point Cadets were doing it because...Beyonce.

Question aaron: Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand the cadets? Did you read the report?
You do know the background of the Superbowl performance of 'Formation', don't you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessica-bolanos-/11-references-you-missed-in-beyonces-formation_b_9196612.html

I have no problem with the performance in that we are talking about an event where the organizers of the Superbowl had obviously seen the performance or known what was going to happen prior to the Super Bowl and obviously had approved it. We aren't talking about someone sneaking something in like what happened with 'the wardrobe malfunction'. Bottom line, if you disproved of that performance so much, let the NFL know or let their sponsors know. Or boycott Beyonce or her recording company. Or don't care about it, or support the performance. That's your prerogative.



Yeah. And? Beyonce doing it in a performance while singing a song specifically about political and social commentary doesn't mean the cadets raised their fist in the air because Beyonce did it in the Superbowl. That seems like quite a stretch to me.
is it more of a stretch than the idea that these girls all decided to raise their fists for a photo, yet it had nothing to do with BLM or any other black "rights" movement? I think not.
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Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand them? Have you read their report?
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All these BLM stock photos are very concerning as well.

http://www.freeimages.com/premium/graduates-fist-pump-1004755
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Mr Gray May 11 2016, 05:09 PM Post #48
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All these BLM stock photos are very concerning as well.

http://www.freeimages.com/premium/graduates-fist-pump-1004755
Denial is a scary place. It's hilarious how you give every liberal cause the benefit of the doubt, but in other situations you are ready to convict with next to zero info or evidence (gz)
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I think the conviction here was actually from those who were assuming this gesture was a political statement....and has since ignored every shred of evidence suggesting otherwise ever since.

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Lol. Now the West Point Cadets were doing it because...Beyonce.

Question aaron: Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand the cadets? Did you read the report?
You do know the background of the Superbowl performance of 'Formation', don't you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessica-bolanos-/11-references-you-missed-in-beyonces-formation_b_9196612.html

I have no problem with the performance in that we are talking about an event where the organizers of the Superbowl had obviously seen the performance or known what was going to happen prior to the Super Bowl and obviously had approved it. We aren't talking about someone sneaking something in like what happened with 'the wardrobe malfunction'. Bottom line, if you disproved of that performance so much, let the NFL know or let their sponsors know. Or boycott Beyonce or her recording company. Or don't care about it, or support the performance. That's your prerogative.



Yeah. And? Beyonce doing it in a performance while singing a song specifically about political and social commentary doesn't mean the cadets raised their fist in the air because Beyonce did it in the Superbowl. That seems like quite a stretch to me.
is it more of a stretch than the idea that these girls all decided to raise their fists for a photo, yet it had nothing to do with BLM or any other black "rights" movement? I think not.
Questions from earlier:

Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand them? Have you read their report?
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dreachon May 11 2016, 05:19 PM Post #51
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All these BLM stock photos are very concerning as well.

http://www.freeimages.com/premium/graduates-fist-pump-1004755
Denial is a scary place. It's hilarious how you give every liberal cause the benefit of the doubt, but in other situations you are ready to convict with next to zero info or evidence (gz)
If you'll recall, I took my medicine in the George Zimmerman thread, manned up and admitted I rushed to judgement. It's a shame you seemingly can't do the same here.
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Lol. Now the West Point Cadets were doing it because...Beyonce.

Question aaron: Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand the cadets? Did you read the report?
You do know the background of the Superbowl performance of 'Formation', don't you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessica-bolanos-/11-references-you-missed-in-beyonces-formation_b_9196612.html

I have no problem with the performance in that we are talking about an event where the organizers of the Superbowl had obviously seen the performance or known what was going to happen prior to the Super Bowl and obviously had approved it. We aren't talking about someone sneaking something in like what happened with 'the wardrobe malfunction'. Bottom line, if you disproved of that performance so much, let the NFL know or let their sponsors know. Or boycott Beyonce or her recording company. Or don't care about it, or support the performance. That's your prerogative.



Yeah. And? Beyonce doing it in a performance while singing a song specifically about political and social commentary doesn't mean the cadets raised their fist in the air because Beyonce did it in the Superbowl. That seems like quite a stretch to me.
is it more of a stretch than the idea that these girls all decided to raise their fists for a photo, yet it had nothing to do with BLM or any other black "rights" movement? I think not.
Questions from earlier:

Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand them? Have you read their report?
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I won't answer for him, only myself.

As I said, I was fully willing to wait until the investigation gave its findings. I have confidence that they reached their conclusion based on the facts of the situation.

But what is funny to me is that you seem to being bri a pretty big pass here. If the gesture had been intended to be one in favor of BLM, would you or would you not have said it was a political one?
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Lol. Now the West Point Cadets were doing it because...Beyonce.

Question aaron: Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand the cadets? Did you read the report?
You do know the background of the Superbowl performance of 'Formation', don't you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessica-bolanos-/11-references-you-missed-in-beyonces-formation_b_9196612.html

I have no problem with the performance in that we are talking about an event where the organizers of the Superbowl had obviously seen the performance or known what was going to happen prior to the Super Bowl and obviously had approved it. We aren't talking about someone sneaking something in like what happened with 'the wardrobe malfunction'. Bottom line, if you disproved of that performance so much, let the NFL know or let their sponsors know. Or boycott Beyonce or her recording company. Or don't care about it, or support the performance. That's your prerogative.



Yeah. And? Beyonce doing it in a performance while singing a song specifically about political and social commentary doesn't mean the cadets raised their fist in the air because Beyonce did it in the Superbowl. That seems like quite a stretch to me.
is it more of a stretch than the idea that these girls all decided to raise their fists for a photo, yet it had nothing to do with BLM or any other black "rights" movement? I think not.
Questions from earlier:

Do you think West Point was afraid to reprimand them? Have you read their report?
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I won't answer for him, only myself.

As I said, I was fully willing to wait until the investigation gave its findings. I have confidence that they reached their conclusion based on the facts of the situation.

But what is funny to me is that you seem to being bri a pretty big pass here. If the gesture had been intended to be one in favor of BLM, would you or would you not have said it was a political one?
I already said that if it was indeed a BLM gesture and it broke the rules that they should be punished. Doesn't matter to me if it was BLM or any other political movement. I'll assume they have the rule in place for good reason.
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I don't even think they should be charged if they said it was a BLM gesture, which it wasn't. Had they pointed to the sky, as many athletes or people do as a gesture of faith, this wouldn't even had made a single headline.

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I don't even think they should be charged if they said it was a BLM gesture, which it wasn't. Had they pointed to the sky, as many athletes or people do as a gesture of faith, this wouldn't even had made a single headline.

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Are gestures of faith against the rules? Honestly asking. I have no idea.
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I don't even think they should be charged if they said it was a BLM gesture, which it wasn't. Had they pointed to the sky, as many athletes or people do as a gesture of faith, this wouldn't even had made a single headline.

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Are gestures of faith against the rules? Honestly asking. I have no idea.
No, they are not. It was a bait and switch argument.
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I don't even think they should be charged if they said it was a BLM gesture, which it wasn't. Had they pointed to the sky, as many athletes or people do as a gesture of faith, this wouldn't even had made a single headline.

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So, just to reiterate, you are saying that BLM is not a political movement?
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I don't even think they should be charged if they said it was a BLM gesture, which it wasn't. Had they pointed to the sky, as many athletes or people do as a gesture of faith, this wouldn't even had made a single headline.

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Are gestures of faith against the rules? Honestly asking. I have no idea.
No, they are not. It was a bait and switch argument.
That's interesting. I actually didn't know gestures of faith weren't banned. So, fists in the air = baaaaaaad (although, not according to the military). pointing to baby jesus = meh, no biggie (military agrees). thumbs up = do people give thumps up because I've never seen a story on this (military doesn't care, again). Chanting USA USA USA = also probably not an issue (although it can be argued that's a political chant). Chanting USA USA USA with fist in the air = WTFDONTPUSHYOURLUCK (although the military probably doesn't care about this either).

So, again, why were people upset about this picture?

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I don't even think they should be charged if they said it was a BLM gesture, which it wasn't. Had they pointed to the sky, as many athletes or people do as a gesture of faith, this wouldn't even had made a single headline.

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So, just to reiterate, you are saying that BLM is not a political movement?
I think BLM has political elements, for sure. I don't recall saying they were aligning with the BLM movement (and they surely said they weren't, which the military agreed with). What I said isn't political, is being proud of where someone comes from and celebrating their own culture. That's the least political thing I can think of...as it should be, because, well, I'd hope we're better than that as a nation.

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I don't even think they should be charged if they said it was a BLM gesture, which it wasn't. Had they pointed to the sky, as many athletes or people do as a gesture of faith, this wouldn't even had made a single headline.

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So, just to reiterate, you are saying that BLM is not a political movement?
I think BLM has political elements, for sure. I don't recall saying they were aligning with the BLM movement (and they surely said they weren't, which the military agreed with). What I said isn't political, is being proud of where someone comes from and celebrating their own culture. That's the least political thing I can think of...as it should be, because, well, I'd hope we're better than that as a nation.

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yeah....separating and distringuishing yourself by skin color is always a good thing and has never proven to create any problems throughout history yernuts
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