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But you are against abortion under any circumstances, right?
Gotta love assumptions.
It may be an assumption, and you may have in fact stated your opinion on this before, but I honestly can't recall you ever saying there were circumstances when you were ok with abortion.
It would have been good of mongo to know that also before making a stupid and derogatory comment towards me as well. But at least he threw in "the size of a lime" because that's super relevent. I have addressed the issue of the mothers life being in danger multiple times. Pretty much everyone on here just sticks to the line of thinking assigned to their side of the spectrum (right or left) except Brum and I, so I guess that's why you just assume I do as well and block out the comments from me that show otherwise. Anyway, there are situations in life where the loss of a life is inevitable or very highly likely. In those situations it is morally appropriate to make a decision as to which life is to be lost and which one is to be saved. This is not exclusive to abortion but would include it in an instance where it is medically necessary to end the life of the fetus if you choose to save the life of the mother.....in other words, one of them is going to die regardless. Other instances are self-defense situations, police situations, even certain traffic accident situations. My wife and I have decided that if we were faced with that terrible reality, we would save the baby, but I do not fault anyone's opposing decision. It's comparable to the question of whether or not you would throw yourself in front of a vehicle or step in front of a bullet to save the life of your child. Most of you likely would. I know I would not hesitate.
Derogatory ? I was asking you. Both posts were questions. I didn't assume anything about your complete position on it, only trying to clarify i understood it correctly from the past discussions. The lime thing was because it was in a link posted by Lars and referenced by dreach. And it is relevant because we are discussing when you draw the line in the pregnancy even if to you the moment of conception is that line. You also didn't answer about rape...
Is the mothers life in danger by delivering a baby which was the product of rape? In your reference to rape and incest you asked if I put the baby's life above the mother's. I don't. They are equal.
Particularly with rape whether her health is at risk or not doesn't even matter to me. Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ?
Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ? Instead of Raped, she stops by a bar, and has a one-night stand. Should she be able to have an abortion?
Not the same scenario at all how so as it relates to abortion mongo? Are you saying that you think the raped woman can have an abortion but the one night stand woman can't?
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I'm half-expecting a near-future comment of either, "she should have just crossed her legs," "What did she expect dressing like that," or "She should have controlled her alcohol intake."
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who on here would say that? If you think it's me, then you really haven't been paying attention over the years. Your so stuck in stereotypes that it truly prevents you from engaging in real conversation and ever learning anything
nah...it's just a knee-jerk reaction i get to hearing a bunch of non-females talk about abortion. br So your stance is that only women can make the abortion decision? And they can have it regardless of the circumstances?
Just trying to clarify.
You see, I am the product of a woman who decided to "not" abort her child when the father took off. Yes, she was in high school at the time. See my mom wasn't career driven. She was from a poorer home. She also worked multiple jobs after high school to take care of me.
Personally, I'm kinda glad abortion wasn't so easy to get or socially acceptable at that time.
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Sep 19 2016, 01:27 PM
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Gotta love assumptions.
It may be an assumption, and you may have in fact stated your opinion on this before, but I honestly can't recall you ever saying there were circumstances when you were ok with abortion.
It would have been good of mongo to know that also before making a stupid and derogatory comment towards me as well. But at least he threw in "the size of a lime" because that's super relevent. I have addressed the issue of the mothers life being in danger multiple times. Pretty much everyone on here just sticks to the line of thinking assigned to their side of the spectrum (right or left) except Brum and I, so I guess that's why you just assume I do as well and block out the comments from me that show otherwise. Anyway, there are situations in life where the loss of a life is inevitable or very highly likely. In those situations it is morally appropriate to make a decision as to which life is to be lost and which one is to be saved. This is not exclusive to abortion but would include it in an instance where it is medically necessary to end the life of the fetus if you choose to save the life of the mother.....in other words, one of them is going to die regardless. Other instances are self-defense situations, police situations, even certain traffic accident situations. My wife and I have decided that if we were faced with that terrible reality, we would save the baby, but I do not fault anyone's opposing decision. It's comparable to the question of whether or not you would throw yourself in front of a vehicle or step in front of a bullet to save the life of your child. Most of you likely would. I know I would not hesitate.
Derogatory ? I was asking you. Both posts were questions. I didn't assume anything about your complete position on it, only trying to clarify i understood it correctly from the past discussions. The lime thing was because it was in a link posted by Lars and referenced by dreach. And it is relevant because we are discussing when you draw the line in the pregnancy even if to you the moment of conception is that line. You also didn't answer about rape...
Is the mothers life in danger by delivering a baby which was the product of rape? In your reference to rape and incest you asked if I put the baby's life above the mother's. I don't. They are equal.
Particularly with rape whether her health is at risk or not doesn't even matter to me. Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ?
Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ? Instead of Raped, she stops by a bar, and has a one-night stand. Should she be able to have an abortion?
Not the same scenario at all
how so as it relates to abortion mongo? Are you saying that you think the raped woman can have an abortion but the one night stand woman can't? I wouldn't care if the one night stand woman had an abortion or not if it was pretty much once she found out she was accidentally pregnant but neither of you answered my hypothetical
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What about rape, incest, or the mothers health ? None of those conditions matter to you at all? If they don't, then it's ironic someone who claims to value human life so much puts an embryo the size of a lime above a woman.
Where did I say I would rather kill the woman than the fetus?
But you are against abortion under any circumstances, right?
Gotta love assumptions.
It may be an assumption, and you may have in fact stated your opinion on this before, but I honestly can't recall you ever saying there were circumstances when you were ok with abortion.
It would have been good of mongo to know that also before making a stupid and derogatory comment towards me as well. But at least he threw in "the size of a lime" because that's super relevent. I have addressed the issue of the mothers life being in danger multiple times. Pretty much everyone on here just sticks to the line of thinking assigned to their side of the spectrum (right or left) except Brum and I, so I guess that's why you just assume I do as well and block out the comments from me that show otherwise. Anyway, there are situations in life where the loss of a life is inevitable or very highly likely. In those situations it is morally appropriate to make a decision as to which life is to be lost and which one is to be saved. This is not exclusive to abortion but would include it in an instance where it is medically necessary to end the life of the fetus if you choose to save the life of the mother.....in other words, one of them is going to die regardless. Other instances are self-defense situations, police situations, even certain traffic accident situations. My wife and I have decided that if we were faced with that terrible reality, we would save the baby, but I do not fault anyone's opposing decision. It's comparable to the question of whether or not you would throw yourself in front of a vehicle or step in front of a bullet to save the life of your child. Most of you likely would. I know I would not hesitate.
Derogatory ? I was asking you. Both posts were questions. I didn't assume anything about your complete position on it, only trying to clarify i understood it correctly from the past discussions. The lime thing was because it was in a link posted by Lars and referenced by dreach. And it is relevant because we are discussing when you draw the line in the pregnancy even if to you the moment of conception is that line. You also didn't answer about rape...
Is the mothers life in danger by delivering a baby which was the product of rape? In your reference to rape and incest you asked if I put the baby's life above the mother's. I don't. They are equal.
Particularly with rape whether her health is at risk or not doesn't even matter to me. Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ? Ok, I will answer.
I don't care how "career" driven she is. I don't care about her "future" plans for family.
She was raped, I am sure (hope) she went to hospital/police dept. to report.
At that time, I hope (and feel she has the right) to receive drugs to terminate the pregnancy.
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It may be an assumption, and you may have in fact stated your opinion on this before, but I honestly can't recall you ever saying there were circumstances when you were ok with abortion.
It would have been good of mongo to know that also before making a stupid and derogatory comment towards me as well. But at least he threw in "the size of a lime" because that's super relevent. I have addressed the issue of the mothers life being in danger multiple times. Pretty much everyone on here just sticks to the line of thinking assigned to their side of the spectrum (right or left) except Brum and I, so I guess that's why you just assume I do as well and block out the comments from me that show otherwise. Anyway, there are situations in life where the loss of a life is inevitable or very highly likely. In those situations it is morally appropriate to make a decision as to which life is to be lost and which one is to be saved. This is not exclusive to abortion but would include it in an instance where it is medically necessary to end the life of the fetus if you choose to save the life of the mother.....in other words, one of them is going to die regardless. Other instances are self-defense situations, police situations, even certain traffic accident situations. My wife and I have decided that if we were faced with that terrible reality, we would save the baby, but I do not fault anyone's opposing decision. It's comparable to the question of whether or not you would throw yourself in front of a vehicle or step in front of a bullet to save the life of your child. Most of you likely would. I know I would not hesitate.
Derogatory ? I was asking you. Both posts were questions. I didn't assume anything about your complete position on it, only trying to clarify i understood it correctly from the past discussions. The lime thing was because it was in a link posted by Lars and referenced by dreach. And it is relevant because we are discussing when you draw the line in the pregnancy even if to you the moment of conception is that line. You also didn't answer about rape...
Is the mothers life in danger by delivering a baby which was the product of rape? In your reference to rape and incest you asked if I put the baby's life above the mother's. I don't. They are equal.
Particularly with rape whether her health is at risk or not doesn't even matter to me. Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ?
Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ? Instead of Raped, she stops by a bar, and has a one-night stand. Should she be able to have an abortion?
Not the same scenario at all
how so as it relates to abortion mongo? Are you saying that you think the raped woman can have an abortion but the one night stand woman can't?
I wouldn't care if the one night stand woman had an abortion or not if it was pretty much once she found out she was accidentally pregnant but neither of you answered my hypothetical I answered your question right away, but maybe you didn't notice it in all of the posts http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=10001357&t=8441933
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because I believe that fetus should be protected like you, I, or a newborn are
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I'm half-expecting a near-future comment of either, "she should have just crossed her legs," "What did she expect dressing like that," or "She should have controlled her alcohol intake."
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who on here would say that? If you think it's me, then you really haven't been paying attention over the years. Your so stuck in stereotypes that it truly prevents you from engaging in real conversation and ever learning anything
nah...it's just a knee-jerk reaction i get to hearing a bunch of non-females talk about abortion. br
So your stance is that only women can make the abortion decision? And they can have it regardless of the circumstances? Just trying to clarify. You see, I am the product of a woman who decided to "not" abort her child when the father took off. Yes, she was in high school at the time. See my mom wasn't career driven. She was from a poorer home. She also worked multiple jobs after high school to take care of me. Personally, I'm kinda glad abortion wasn't so easy to get or socially acceptable at that time. I'm just saying that this is more of a woman's choice issue than it is a pro/anti-choice issue. I don't think anyone on here is saying there should be zero regulations...
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I'm half-expecting a near-future comment of either, "she should have just crossed her legs," "What did she expect dressing like that," or "She should have controlled her alcohol intake."
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who on here would say that? If you think it's me, then you really haven't been paying attention over the years. Your so stuck in stereotypes that it truly prevents you from engaging in real conversation and ever learning anything
nah...it's just a knee-jerk reaction i get to hearing a bunch of non-females talk about abortion. br
So your stance is that only women can make the abortion decision? And they can have it regardless of the circumstances? Just trying to clarify. You see, I am the product of a woman who decided to "not" abort her child when the father took off. Yes, she was in high school at the time. See my mom wasn't career driven. She was from a poorer home. She also worked multiple jobs after high school to take care of me. Personally, I'm kinda glad abortion wasn't so easy to get or socially acceptable at that time.
I'm just saying that this is more of a woman's choice issue than it is a pro/anti-choice issue. I don't think anyone on here is saying there should be zero regulations... br Mongo:
"I wouldn't care if the one night stand woman had an abortion or not if it was pretty much once she found out she was accidentally pregnant but neither of you answered my hypothetical"
Mongo feels it is a woman's choice, rape or otherwise.
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I'm half-expecting a near-future comment of either, "she should have just crossed her legs," "What did she expect dressing like that," or "She should have controlled her alcohol intake."
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who on here would say that? If you think it's me, then you really haven't been paying attention over the years. Your so stuck in stereotypes that it truly prevents you from engaging in real conversation and ever learning anything
nah...it's just a knee-jerk reaction i get to hearing a bunch of non-females talk about abortion. br
So your stance is that only women can make the abortion decision? And they can have it regardless of the circumstances? Just trying to clarify. You see, I am the product of a woman who decided to "not" abort her child when the father took off. Yes, she was in high school at the time. See my mom wasn't career driven. She was from a poorer home. She also worked multiple jobs after high school to take care of me. Personally, I'm kinda glad abortion wasn't so easy to get or socially acceptable at that time.
I'm just saying that this is more of a woman's choice issue than it is a pro/anti-choice issue. I don't think anyone on here is saying there should be zero regulations... br
Mongo: "I wouldn't care if the one night stand woman had an abortion or not if it was pretty much once she found out she was accidentally pregnant but neither of you answered my hypothetical" Mongo feels it is a woman's choice, rape or otherwise. And I'd agree with that.
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Where did I say I would rather kill the woman than the fetus?
But you are against abortion under any circumstances, right?
Gotta love assumptions.
It may be an assumption, and you may have in fact stated your opinion on this before, but I honestly can't recall you ever saying there were circumstances when you were ok with abortion.
It would have been good of mongo to know that also before making a stupid and derogatory comment towards me as well. But at least he threw in "the size of a lime" because that's super relevent. I have addressed the issue of the mothers life being in danger multiple times. Pretty much everyone on here just sticks to the line of thinking assigned to their side of the spectrum (right or left) except Brum and I, so I guess that's why you just assume I do as well and block out the comments from me that show otherwise. Anyway, there are situations in life where the loss of a life is inevitable or very highly likely. In those situations it is morally appropriate to make a decision as to which life is to be lost and which one is to be saved. This is not exclusive to abortion but would include it in an instance where it is medically necessary to end the life of the fetus if you choose to save the life of the mother.....in other words, one of them is going to die regardless. Other instances are self-defense situations, police situations, even certain traffic accident situations. My wife and I have decided that if we were faced with that terrible reality, we would save the baby, but I do not fault anyone's opposing decision. It's comparable to the question of whether or not you would throw yourself in front of a vehicle or step in front of a bullet to save the life of your child. Most of you likely would. I know I would not hesitate.
Derogatory ? I was asking you. Both posts were questions. I didn't assume anything about your complete position on it, only trying to clarify i understood it correctly from the past discussions. The lime thing was because it was in a link posted by Lars and referenced by dreach. And it is relevant because we are discussing when you draw the line in the pregnancy even if to you the moment of conception is that line. You also didn't answer about rape...
Is the mothers life in danger by delivering a baby which was the product of rape? In your reference to rape and incest you asked if I put the baby's life above the mother's. I don't. They are equal.
Particularly with rape whether her health is at risk or not doesn't even matter to me. Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ?
Ok, I will answer. I don't care how "career" driven she is. I don't care about her "future" plans for family. She was raped, I am sure (hope) she went to hospital/police dept. to report. At that time, I hope (and feel she has the right) to receive drugs to terminate the pregnancy. How does she know she became pregnant?
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It would have been good of mongo to know that also before making a stupid and derogatory comment towards me as well. But at least he threw in "the size of a lime" because that's super relevent. I have addressed the issue of the mothers life being in danger multiple times. Pretty much everyone on here just sticks to the line of thinking assigned to their side of the spectrum (right or left) except Brum and I, so I guess that's why you just assume I do as well and block out the comments from me that show otherwise. Anyway, there are situations in life where the loss of a life is inevitable or very highly likely. In those situations it is morally appropriate to make a decision as to which life is to be lost and which one is to be saved. This is not exclusive to abortion but would include it in an instance where it is medically necessary to end the life of the fetus if you choose to save the life of the mother.....in other words, one of them is going to die regardless. Other instances are self-defense situations, police situations, even certain traffic accident situations. My wife and I have decided that if we were faced with that terrible reality, we would save the baby, but I do not fault anyone's opposing decision. It's comparable to the question of whether or not you would throw yourself in front of a vehicle or step in front of a bullet to save the life of your child. Most of you likely would. I know I would not hesitate.
Derogatory ? I was asking you. Both posts were questions. I didn't assume anything about your complete position on it, only trying to clarify i understood it correctly from the past discussions. The lime thing was because it was in a link posted by Lars and referenced by dreach. And it is relevant because we are discussing when you draw the line in the pregnancy even if to you the moment of conception is that line. You also didn't answer about rape...
Is the mothers life in danger by delivering a baby which was the product of rape? In your reference to rape and incest you asked if I put the baby's life above the mother's. I don't. They are equal.
Particularly with rape whether her health is at risk or not doesn't even matter to me. Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ?
Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ? Instead of Raped, she stops by a bar, and has a one-night stand. Should she be able to have an abortion?
Not the same scenario at all
how so as it relates to abortion mongo? Are you saying that you think the raped woman can have an abortion but the one night stand woman can't?
I wouldn't care if the one night stand woman had an abortion or not if it was pretty much once she found out she was accidentally pregnant but neither of you answered my hypothetical
I answered your question right away, but maybe you didn't notice it in all of the posts http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=10001357&t=8441933Your question: - Quote:
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Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ?
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because I believe that fetus should be protected like you, I, or a newborn are
Yup I did miss it and I apologize
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Where did I say I would rather kill the woman than the fetus?
But you are against abortion under any circumstances, right?
Gotta love assumptions.
It may be an assumption, and you may have in fact stated your opinion on this before, but I honestly can't recall you ever saying there were circumstances when you were ok with abortion.
It would have been good of mongo to know that also before making a stupid and derogatory comment towards me as well. But at least he threw in "the size of a lime" because that's super relevent. I have addressed the issue of the mothers life being in danger multiple times. Pretty much everyone on here just sticks to the line of thinking assigned to their side of the spectrum (right or left) except Brum and I, so I guess that's why you just assume I do as well and block out the comments from me that show otherwise. Anyway, there are situations in life where the loss of a life is inevitable or very highly likely. In those situations it is morally appropriate to make a decision as to which life is to be lost and which one is to be saved. This is not exclusive to abortion but would include it in an instance where it is medically necessary to end the life of the fetus if you choose to save the life of the mother.....in other words, one of them is going to die regardless. Other instances are self-defense situations, police situations, even certain traffic accident situations. My wife and I have decided that if we were faced with that terrible reality, we would save the baby, but I do not fault anyone's opposing decision. It's comparable to the question of whether or not you would throw yourself in front of a vehicle or step in front of a bullet to save the life of your child. Most of you likely would. I know I would not hesitate.
Derogatory ? I was asking you. Both posts were questions. I didn't assume anything about your complete position on it, only trying to clarify i understood it correctly from the past discussions. The lime thing was because it was in a link posted by Lars and referenced by dreach. And it is relevant because we are discussing when you draw the line in the pregnancy even if to you the moment of conception is that line. You also didn't answer about rape...
Is the mothers life in danger by delivering a baby which was the product of rape? In your reference to rape and incest you asked if I put the baby's life above the mother's. I don't. They are equal.
Particularly with rape whether her health is at risk or not doesn't even matter to me. Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ?
Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ? Instead of Raped, she stops by a bar, and has a one-night stand. Should she be able to have an abortion? Irrelevant to the question at hand......the question was soecifically asking gray if he believed if someone should be forced to carry to birth the product of rape.
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So your stance is that only women can make the abortion decision? And they can have it regardless of the circumstances?
Just trying to clarify.
You see, I am the product of a woman who decided to "not" abort her child when the father took off.
Not to be a smart ass, but every person born since Roe v. Wade is the product of a woman who decided not to abort.
And the truth is, as long as abortion is legal, only women can make the decision. It's her body that the surgery is performed on.
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Where did I say I would rather kill the woman than the fetus?
But you are against abortion under any circumstances, right?
Gotta love assumptions.
It may be an assumption, and you may have in fact stated your opinion on this before, but I honestly can't recall you ever saying there were circumstances when you were ok with abortion.
It would have been good of mongo to know that also before making a stupid and derogatory comment towards me as well. But at least he threw in "the size of a lime" because that's super relevent. I have addressed the issue of the mothers life being in danger multiple times. Pretty much everyone on here just sticks to the line of thinking assigned to their side of the spectrum (right or left) except Brum and I, so I guess that's why you just assume I do as well and block out the comments from me that show otherwise. Anyway, there are situations in life where the loss of a life is inevitable or very highly likely. In those situations it is morally appropriate to make a decision as to which life is to be lost and which one is to be saved. This is not exclusive to abortion but would include it in an instance where it is medically necessary to end the life of the fetus if you choose to save the life of the mother.....in other words, one of them is going to die regardless. Other instances are self-defense situations, police situations, even certain traffic accident situations. My wife and I have decided that if we were faced with that terrible reality, we would save the baby, but I do not fault anyone's opposing decision. It's comparable to the question of whether or not you would throw yourself in front of a vehicle or step in front of a bullet to save the life of your child. Most of you likely would. I know I would not hesitate.
Derogatory ? I was asking you. Both posts were questions. I didn't assume anything about your complete position on it, only trying to clarify i understood it correctly from the past discussions. The lime thing was because it was in a link posted by Lars and referenced by dreach. And it is relevant because we are discussing when you draw the line in the pregnancy even if to you the moment of conception is that line. You also didn't answer about rape...
Is the mothers life in danger by delivering a baby which was the product of rape? In your reference to rape and incest you asked if I put the baby's life above the mother's. I don't. They are equal.
Particularly with rape whether her health is at risk or not doesn't even matter to me. Hypothetical: a 23 year old woman is single, in grad school, and very career driven. She has no intention of having children soon or maybe ever. Coming home from the library one night she is attacked and raped. As a result she becomes pregnant. Why shouldn't she have the right to abort that pregnancy ?
Ok, I will answer. I don't care how "career" driven she is. I don't care about her "future" plans for family. She was raped, I am sure (hope) she went to hospital/police dept. to report. At that time, I hope (and feel she has the right) to receive drugs to terminate the pregnancy. I want to add don't discount the details of my hypothetical. It may have been one, but that is a real life scenario that happens all the time. Pretend the woman is your daughter grown up, or a close friends daughter. Those details still don't matter?
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I'm half-expecting a near-future comment of either, "she should have just crossed her legs," "What did she expect dressing like that," or "She should have controlled her alcohol intake."
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who on here would say that? If you think it's me, then you really haven't been paying attention over the years. Your so stuck in stereotypes that it truly prevents you from engaging in real conversation and ever learning anything Lars. Not because he means it, but because he likes to stir up shit.
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So your stance is that only women can make the abortion decision?
I've missed a lot so I'm not sure where to jump back into the conversation, but that's my opinion, personally. Clearly I think it would be best practice to discuss it with the father, family members, doctors, etc...but ultimately it is her decision.
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