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The terror attack thread
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dreachon Jul 25 2016, 02:47 PM Post #61
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Jul 25 2016, 12:36 PM
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Jul 25 2016, 11:54 AM
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Jul 25 2016, 11:17 AM
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Jul 25 2016, 10:18 AM
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Jul 25 2016, 09:50 AM
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Jul 25 2016, 08:48 AM
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Jul 24 2016, 06:46 AM
brumdog44
Jul 23 2016, 01:26 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/asia/afghanistan-explosion/index.html

Estimated 80 dead.

I think many people forget that the biggest target of ISIS has actually been Muslims.
why do they target Muslims?
1) Easier targets
2) If yer not ISIS, yer a target
but why....what is the problem or difference that compels them to attack. They aren't doing it just because they like violence (even though they likely do like violence)....there is some twisted motivation somewhere.
Of course they like violence. They are the extreme of the extreme. They don't need a reason to kill people. When did insane violence ever need a reason?
I just don't think that's entirely true dreach......yes their actions/reaction to their motivations are crazy, but at the core, it isn't simply that they like to be violent.....they want something and they feel that violence will get it for them. The question is what do they want....what are they trying to accomplish?
Expansion. Militant acts breed attention and recruits. It forces fringe elements to decide if they are for or against ISIS. The least thing that ISIS was is ambivalence -- conflict, especially conflict without proportional response aginst Islamic countries, seems to be increasing their power and stretch.
i'm more inquiring down to the core though....expansion for what purpose? It expand their brand of Islam? Exterminate the Jews and Christians? All of the above?
I'm really not quite sure what yer looking for. Hitler believed the Jews were raping the GErman economy and the cause of all problems within the country. Is that a "core reason"? I mean I guess. But in essence it's just searching for an excuse to kill people. Whatever ISIS thinks their core mission is, it's nothing more than an irrational reason to murder people.
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Mr Gray Jul 25 2016, 03:25 PM Post #62
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Jul 25 2016, 02:47 PM
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Jul 25 2016, 12:17 PM
Mr Gray
Jul 25 2016, 11:54 AM
dreachon
Jul 25 2016, 11:17 AM
Mr Gray
Jul 25 2016, 10:18 AM
dreachon
Jul 25 2016, 09:50 AM
Mr Gray
Jul 25 2016, 08:48 AM
dreachon
Jul 24 2016, 06:46 AM
brumdog44
Jul 23 2016, 01:26 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/asia/afghanistan-explosion/index.html

Estimated 80 dead.

I think many people forget that the biggest target of ISIS has actually been Muslims.
why do they target Muslims?
1) Easier targets
2) If yer not ISIS, yer a target
but why....what is the problem or difference that compels them to attack. They aren't doing it just because they like violence (even though they likely do like violence)....there is some twisted motivation somewhere.
Of course they like violence. They are the extreme of the extreme. They don't need a reason to kill people. When did insane violence ever need a reason?
I just don't think that's entirely true dreach......yes their actions/reaction to their motivations are crazy, but at the core, it isn't simply that they like to be violent.....they want something and they feel that violence will get it for them. The question is what do they want....what are they trying to accomplish?
Expansion. Militant acts breed attention and recruits. It forces fringe elements to decide if they are for or against ISIS. The least thing that ISIS was is ambivalence -- conflict, especially conflict without proportional response aginst Islamic countries, seems to be increasing their power and stretch.
i'm more inquiring down to the core though....expansion for what purpose? It expand their brand of Islam? Exterminate the Jews and Christians? All of the above?
I'm really not quite sure what yer looking for. Hitler believed the Jews were raping the GErman economy and the cause of all problems within the country. Is that a "core reason"? I mean I guess. But in essence it's just searching for an excuse to kill people. Whatever ISIS thinks their core mission is, it's nothing more than an irrational reason to murder people.
Do you believe that it starts with the desire to murder?
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I think you're overthinking this.
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dreachon Jul 25 2016, 07:09 PM Post #64
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Jul 25 2016, 12:17 PM
Mr Gray
Jul 25 2016, 11:54 AM
dreachon
Jul 25 2016, 11:17 AM
Mr Gray
Jul 25 2016, 10:18 AM
dreachon
Jul 25 2016, 09:50 AM
Mr Gray
Jul 25 2016, 08:48 AM
dreachon
Jul 24 2016, 06:46 AM

Quoting limited to 10 levels deephttp://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/asia/afghanistan-explosion/index.html
why do they target Muslims?
1) Easier targets
2) If yer not ISIS, yer a target
but why....what is the problem or difference that compels them to attack. They aren't doing it just because they like violence (even though they likely do like violence)....there is some twisted motivation somewhere.
Of course they like violence. They are the extreme of the extreme. They don't need a reason to kill people. When did insane violence ever need a reason?
I just don't think that's entirely true dreach......yes their actions/reaction to their motivations are crazy, but at the core, it isn't simply that they like to be violent.....they want something and they feel that violence will get it for them. The question is what do they want....what are they trying to accomplish?
Expansion. Militant acts breed attention and recruits. It forces fringe elements to decide if they are for or against ISIS. The least thing that ISIS was is ambivalence -- conflict, especially conflict without proportional response aginst Islamic countries, seems to be increasing their power and stretch.
i'm more inquiring down to the core though....expansion for what purpose? It expand their brand of Islam? Exterminate the Jews and Christians? All of the above?
I'm really not quite sure what yer looking for. Hitler believed the Jews were raping the GErman economy and the cause of all problems within the country. Is that a "core reason"? I mean I guess. But in essence it's just searching for an excuse to kill people. Whatever ISIS thinks their core mission is, it's nothing more than an irrational reason to murder people.
Do you believe that it starts with the desire to murder?
At this point, yes.

I think it started as the local opposition to America. As they established themselves, they kept fighting mostly just to survive. But as they became more organized, took over more territory, and became more deadly, their recruitment sky rocketed. Now, they're just in it for the murder.

Basically, can you envision any scenario in which ISIS says, "ahhh. ok. we've got what we want now. now we'll be peaceful." If the answer is no, then it's about killing people, not about some ultimate goal or mission for them as a group.
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I would say they certainly draw in elements in other countries who don't really have ties to the ISIS network but are willing to use it for their homicidal aggressions.
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