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sirbrianwilson Jul 29 2016, 10:56 PM Post #61
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Again, even with a trump win, he'll still be associated with trump. It'll be like voting for one of his buddies. His career outside of Indiana ended with the RFA.
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Again, even with a trump win, he'll still be associated with trump. It'll be like voting for one of his buddies. His career outside of Indiana ended with the RFA.
Not sure Pence will be viewed as a Trump "buddy"

I don't believe you will see him act like or speak like Trump.

What will be interesting to see is how he reacts and responds when Trump pulls
his next "Trump" and says something off the wall and crazy.

Will he try to defend it, back it, explain it?

Because of the way Trump acts, Pence will certainly be viewed as the rational one.
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I think kasich's refusal to endorse and even cruz's vague endorsement of trump helps them more than pence being picked as the vp nominee.
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
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If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
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Again, even with a trump win, he'll still be associated with trump. It'll be like voting for one of his buddies. His career outside of Indiana ended with the RFA.
Not sure Pence will be viewed as a Trump "buddy"

I don't believe you will see him act like or speak like Trump.

What will be interesting to see is how he reacts and responds when Trump pulls
his next "Trump" and says something off the wall and crazy.

Will he try to defend it, back it, explain it?

Because of the way Trump acts, Pence will certainly be viewed as the rational one.
When you take the VP spot, you marry yourself to the president's ideas and statements. I can't think of a single time where a Vice President has come out strongly against a president's idea or statement once in office.
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
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Don't mistake the criticism of trumps comments as a reprieve for hillary. Believe me, that is not the case.
It is the case in the media.
Of course. The media makes money on spin. That's why the media area at conventions, etc is called "the spin room."

But it doesn't take away the fact that what he said alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

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Correct, what he "said" alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

Whereas what she "did" jeopardized national security.


I try to watch what they do, as much as what they say.

He is an idiot.

Like Mike Pence or not, he really has to wonder why he decided to be Trump's running mate.

He is in a position where HE (Pence) looks like the calm rational one!
So the justification for Trump's comment is about what Hillary did wrong?

Newsflash people:

There's no justification for Hillary's private servers.
There's no justification for what Trump said.

And the media spins, but I haven't heard a single person say that Hillary gets a pass because of Trump said. Aaron, you say that's the case in the media. Link some stuff. Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Lol......do you think the media is going to issue a statement saying "Hillary gets a pass"? Come on man
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
You were actually a Palin fan at some point?

Also she absolutely hurt in 08. Look at the election results. It was a massacre.
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
You were actually a Palin fan at some point?

Also she absolutely hurt in 08. Look at the election results. It was a massacre.
Yeah, I agreed with her on quite a few points and liked her more than McCain. I don't think she's the reason for the massacre mongo......I'm pretty sure the polls got closer after she was selected.
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Factually, the polls got closer immediately following her selection and dropped back where they were once she started speaking. Numerically, McCain before the pick and at the election was down about the same amount. So you could say in one respect she didn't help or hurt, but since the picking of a VP candidate is to try to pick someone to move the numbers up long term, the pick did not do its job.
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
She was an unequivocal disaster. McCain had a shot until she opened her mouth. Then he had no chance.
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Don't mistake the criticism of trumps comments as a reprieve for hillary. Believe me, that is not the case.
It is the case in the media.
Of course. The media makes money on spin. That's why the media area at conventions, etc is called "the spin room."

But it doesn't take away the fact that what he said alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

br
Correct, what he "said" alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

Whereas what she "did" jeopardized national security.


I try to watch what they do, as much as what they say.

He is an idiot.

Like Mike Pence or not, he really has to wonder why he decided to be Trump's running mate.

He is in a position where HE (Pence) looks like the calm rational one!
So the justification for Trump's comment is about what Hillary did wrong?

Newsflash people:

There's no justification for Hillary's private servers.
There's no justification for what Trump said.

And the media spins, but I haven't heard a single person say that Hillary gets a pass because of Trump said. Aaron, you say that's the case in the media. Link some stuff. Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Lol......do you think the media is going to issue a statement saying "Hillary gets a pass"? Come on man
You said you've seen media giving her a pass. I'm asking you to link to said media.
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Don't mistake the criticism of trumps comments as a reprieve for hillary. Believe me, that is not the case.
It is the case in the media.
Of course. The media makes money on spin. That's why the media area at conventions, etc is called "the spin room."

But it doesn't take away the fact that what he said alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

br
Correct, what he "said" alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

Whereas what she "did" jeopardized national security.


I try to watch what they do, as much as what they say.

He is an idiot.

Like Mike Pence or not, he really has to wonder why he decided to be Trump's running mate.

He is in a position where HE (Pence) looks like the calm rational one!
So the justification for Trump's comment is about what Hillary did wrong?

Newsflash people:

There's no justification for Hillary's private servers.
There's no justification for what Trump said.

And the media spins, but I haven't heard a single person say that Hillary gets a pass because of Trump said. Aaron, you say that's the case in the media. Link some stuff. Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Lol......do you think the media is going to issue a statement saying "Hillary gets a pass"? Come on man
You said you've seen media giving her a pass. I'm asking you to link to said media.
Hey dumbass. You can't link to the media giving her a pass......because giving her a pass means they aren't covering her problems, thus no link. Don't be an ass.
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
She was an unequivocal disaster. McCain had a shot until she opened her mouth. Then he had no chance.
The polls contradict your statement completely. But Reddit and Twitter might give you the answer you're looking for....facts be damned.
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