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Don't mistake the criticism of trumps comments as a reprieve for hillary. Believe me, that is not the case.
It is the case in the media.
Of course. The media makes money on spin. That's why the media area at conventions, etc is called "the spin room."

But it doesn't take away the fact that what he said alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

br
Correct, what he "said" alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

Whereas what she "did" jeopardized national security.


I try to watch what they do, as much as what they say.

He is an idiot.

Like Mike Pence or not, he really has to wonder why he decided to be Trump's running mate.

He is in a position where HE (Pence) looks like the calm rational one!
So the justification for Trump's comment is about what Hillary did wrong?

Newsflash people:

There's no justification for Hillary's private servers.
There's no justification for what Trump said.

And the media spins, but I haven't heard a single person say that Hillary gets a pass because of Trump said. Aaron, you say that's the case in the media. Link some stuff. Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Lol......do you think the media is going to issue a statement saying "Hillary gets a pass"? Come on man
You said you've seen media giving her a pass. I'm asking you to link to said media.
Hey dumbass. You can't link to the media giving her a pass......because giving her a pass means they aren't covering her problems, thus no link. Don't be an ass.
So your argument is that because the media covered Trump's comments without indicting Hillary at the same time, that's means they're giving her a pass? Didn't they just cover her email scandal incessantly for the past 6 months? What new information is there to even cover?
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Did he call you a dumbass ?
Trump supporter? :P
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
She was an unequivocal disaster. McCain had a shot until she opened her mouth. Then he had no chance.
The polls contradict your statement completely. But Reddit and Twitter might give you the answer you're looking for....facts be damned.
This poll?

http://dyn.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/index.php

You can't be serious here. Clearly the polls went up when she was first named and then they very quickly turned south for McCain. You honestly aren't disputing this, are you?
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Aaron vs Twitter. Sounds like rush's "Facebook" diatribe.
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14 Vice Presidents have becoming president....but 8 of those were because of death. Only FOUR vice presidents have won election for presidency while being Vice President and only ONE sitting Vice President in the last 175 years has won the presidential election.

George Bush?
Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
She was an unequivocal disaster. McCain had a shot until she opened her mouth. Then he had no chance.
The polls contradict your statement completely. But Reddit and Twitter might give you the answer you're looking for....facts be damned.
This poll?

http://dyn.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/index.php

You can't be serious here. Clearly the polls went up when she was first named and then they very quickly turned south for McCain. You honestly aren't disputing this, are you?
Facts aren't that scary dreach.....I promise.
https://www.academia.edu/4606621/Reconsidering_the_Palin_Effect_in_the_2008_U.S._Presidential_Election

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Don't mistake the criticism of trumps comments as a reprieve for hillary. Believe me, that is not the case.
It is the case in the media.
Of course. The media makes money on spin. That's why the media area at conventions, etc is called "the spin room."

But it doesn't take away the fact that what he said alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

br
Correct, what he "said" alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

Whereas what she "did" jeopardized national security.


I try to watch what they do, as much as what they say.

He is an idiot.

Like Mike Pence or not, he really has to wonder why he decided to be Trump's running mate.

He is in a position where HE (Pence) looks like the calm rational one!
So the justification for Trump's comment is about what Hillary did wrong?

Newsflash people:

There's no justification for Hillary's private servers.
There's no justification for what Trump said.

And the media spins, but I haven't heard a single person say that Hillary gets a pass because of Trump said. Aaron, you say that's the case in the media. Link some stuff. Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Lol......do you think the media is going to issue a statement saying "Hillary gets a pass"? Come on man
You said you've seen media giving her a pass. I'm asking you to link to said media.
Hey dumbass. You can't link to the media giving her a pass......because giving her a pass means they aren't covering her problems, thus no link. Don't be an ass.
So your argument is that because the media covered Trump's comments without indicting Hillary at the same time, that's means they're giving her a pass? Didn't they just cover her email scandal incessantly for the past 6 months? What new information is there to even cover?
No, they didn't. Look at your own example.....how many posts have you created on here dreach condemning Hilary's handling of classified US information?
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Yes. And he was one term coming off a very popular president. It's a myth that being VP gives you a step up on winning a presidential election.
Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
She was an unequivocal disaster. McCain had a shot until she opened her mouth. Then he had no chance.
The polls contradict your statement completely. But Reddit and Twitter might give you the answer you're looking for....facts be damned.
This poll?

http://dyn.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/index.php

You can't be serious here. Clearly the polls went up when she was first named and then they very quickly turned south for McCain. You honestly aren't disputing this, are you?
Facts aren't that scary dreach.....I promise.
https://www.academia.edu/4606621/Reconsidering_the_Palin_Effect_in_the_2008_U.S._Presidential_Election

But but but......Twitter said
I love the author notes at the bottom of this study. I've bolded the important parts for you.

Quote:
 
We thank Jonathan Knuckey for graciously providing data and engaging in this dialogue withus. We also thank John Hulsey for reading an earlier version of the manuscript, the editors andtwo anonymous reviewers for their thoughtful suggestions.
2

e.g., ―
However, at the margins
—
and this is where elections now can be won or lost incontemporary American politics
—
the findings are suggestive that Palin may have cost McCain
support among important segments of the electorate and potentially some in key ―battleground‖states.‖ (2012: 287)


3
Because confidence intervals are not included, we cannot conclude that the differences betweenindependents and Republicans or moderates and conservative are statistically different from eachother.
4
To avoid confusion with the tables and figures in the original paper, which are numbered
1,2,3…, we have labeled our tables and figures A,B,C…

5
In addition to the absence of post-estimation tests, the language suggests that feelings towardPalin were a larger influence on McCain vote choice than attitudes toward McCain himself. Sucha finding would be at odds with the literature on vice-presidential candidate effects reviewed inthe paper (2012: 276-278) and referred to in the conclusion (2012: 285)
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Don't mistake the criticism of trumps comments as a reprieve for hillary. Believe me, that is not the case.
It is the case in the media.
Of course. The media makes money on spin. That's why the media area at conventions, etc is called "the spin room."

But it doesn't take away the fact that what he said alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

br
Correct, what he "said" alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

Whereas what she "did" jeopardized national security.


I try to watch what they do, as much as what they say.

He is an idiot.

Like Mike Pence or not, he really has to wonder why he decided to be Trump's running mate.

He is in a position where HE (Pence) looks like the calm rational one!
So the justification for Trump's comment is about what Hillary did wrong?

Newsflash people:

There's no justification for Hillary's private servers.
There's no justification for what Trump said.

And the media spins, but I haven't heard a single person say that Hillary gets a pass because of Trump said. Aaron, you say that's the case in the media. Link some stuff. Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Lol......do you think the media is going to issue a statement saying "Hillary gets a pass"? Come on man
You said you've seen media giving her a pass. I'm asking you to link to said media.
Hey dumbass. You can't link to the media giving her a pass......because giving her a pass means they aren't covering her problems, thus no link. Don't be an ass.
So your argument is that because the media covered Trump's comments without indicting Hillary at the same time, that's means they're giving her a pass? Didn't they just cover her email scandal incessantly for the past 6 months? What new information is there to even cover?
No, they didn't. Look at your own example.....how many posts have you created on here dreach condemning Hilary's handling of classified US information?
So.Many.Things.Wrong.

1) I'm not representative of the media, so my post history doesn't support your opinion at all.
2) I can't vote and even if I could I wouldn't be voting for Hillary, which I have stated on here.
3) I didn't condemn Trump for "inviting Russia to hack Hillary". Did you forget that? My opinion went opposite that of the media narrative.
4)You neglected to answer what new information there is to cover about the email scandal.
5)) Here's a Google search showing lots of news articles over the last week about Hillary's email scandal, which we know would be impossible if the media was giving her a pass. https://www.google.com.pr/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=hillary+email+scandal&gws_rd=cr&ei=k-GdV8bbB4XHetWUieAG#q=hillary+email+scandal&pws=0&tbs=qdr:w
6) And last but not least, here's a post I started making fun of Hillary and Lindsey Graham for their email "deficiencies". BONUS: I also posted how I wouldn't vote Hillary in there!
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/topic/7901840/1/


EDIT: Double bonus! That post that I started about HIllary's email scandal is exactly one post more than you have started about Hillary's email scandal. Lol.
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Brum,

If he stayed in Indiana as gov. He would gain little name id. He is VP he will be a national figure. Hell as Trump VP he can be seen as the rational one
You are missing the point. The thinking that VP is a stepping stone to president is not grounded in realistic analysis. If it were, it would have happened more than once in the last 150 years and Al Gore would have won in a landslide as he was an eight year VP and Clinton left office with good economic factors.
Yes but I do think Pence at least has a better shot to run for President now. Doesn't mean he'll win, but he'll be in the running.

Sarah Palin was maybe the worst VP pick in history and even she managed to stay at least somewhat relevant on the national stage after firebombing McCain's campaign.
I'm not a palin fan anymore, but worst in history? Lol.....I believe she actually helped the ticket
She was an unequivocal disaster. McCain had a shot until she opened her mouth. Then he had no chance.
The polls contradict your statement completely. But Reddit and Twitter might give you the answer you're looking for....facts be damned.
This poll?

http://dyn.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/index.php

You can't be serious here. Clearly the polls went up when she was first named and then they very quickly turned south for McCain. You honestly aren't disputing this, are you?
Facts aren't that scary dreach.....I promise.
https://www.academia.edu/4606621/Reconsidering_the_Palin_Effect_in_the_2008_U.S._Presidential_Election

But but but......Twitter said
I love the author notes at the bottom of this study. I've bolded the important parts for you.

Quote:
 
We thank Jonathan Knuckey for graciously providing data and engaging in this dialogue withus. We also thank John Hulsey for reading an earlier version of the manuscript, the editors andtwo anonymous reviewers for their thoughtful suggestions.
2

e.g., ―
However, at the margins
—
and this is where elections now can be won or lost incontemporary American politics
—
the findings are suggestive that Palin may have cost McCain
support among important segments of the electorate and potentially some in key ―battleground‖states.‖ (2012: 287)


3
Because confidence intervals are not included, we cannot conclude that the differences betweenindependents and Republicans or moderates and conservative are statistically different from eachother.
4
To avoid confusion with the tables and figures in the original paper, which are numbered
1,2,3…, we have labeled our tables and figures A,B,C…

5
In addition to the absence of post-estimation tests, the language suggests that feelings towardPalin were a larger influence on McCain vote choice than attitudes toward McCain himself. Sucha finding would be at odds with the literature on vice-presidential candidate effects reviewed inthe paper (2012: 276-278) and referred to in the conclusion (2012: 285)
And notice that there was no reply to my post factually showing that among the fence sitters -- independent voters -- Palin's favorability ratings were 20 points lower than McCain's and nearly 40 belie Biden and 46 below Obama.

But he's right, facts are a bitch.
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Don't mistake the criticism of trumps comments as a reprieve for hillary. Believe me, that is not the case.
It is the case in the media.
Of course. The media makes money on spin. That's why the media area at conventions, etc is called "the spin room."

But it doesn't take away the fact that what he said alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

br
Correct, what he "said" alluded to an encouragement of jeopardizing national security.

Whereas what she "did" jeopardized national security.


I try to watch what they do, as much as what they say.

He is an idiot.

Like Mike Pence or not, he really has to wonder why he decided to be Trump's running mate.

He is in a position where HE (Pence) looks like the calm rational one!
So the justification for Trump's comment is about what Hillary did wrong?

Newsflash people:

There's no justification for Hillary's private servers.
There's no justification for what Trump said.

And the media spins, but I haven't heard a single person say that Hillary gets a pass because of Trump said. Aaron, you say that's the case in the media. Link some stuff. Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Lol......do you think the media is going to issue a statement saying "Hillary gets a pass"? Come on man
You said you've seen media giving her a pass. I'm asking you to link to said media.
Hey dumbass. You can't link to the media giving her a pass......because giving her a pass means they aren't covering her problems, thus no link. Don't be an ass.
I would probably substitute "Mr. Partisan" for "dumbass", but the general point is valid: the media exercises a lot of its bias when deciding which stories to run. It's similar to giving someone the benefit of the doubt. When you think someone is generally good and wants to make the country better, and you tend to agree with them ideologically, your tendency is to run more stories that cast them in a good light. Not to mention you know they are in fact correct, and smarter than the red-staters.
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I blame Twitter.
Twitter can definitely be a dangerous place to get your news from. Like when a presidential campaign follows and shares media from white supremacists...
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