| Chaos Vs Kiris (Black Lives Matter Discussion) | |
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| Chaos | Jan 11 2017, 10:22 PM Post #1 |
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Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an international activist movement, originating in the African-American community, that campaigns against violence and systemic racism toward black people. BLM regularly holds protests against police killings of black people and broader issues of racial profiling, police brutality, and perceived racial inequality in the United States criminal justice system. In this thread myself and Kiris will answer the following questions: 1: Is Black Lives Matter a force for good? 2: Where do you think donations made to BLM are going? 3:Does Black Lives Matter ignore black on black violence? 4: Should black people receive reparations such as free college? BLM says yes! 5: Should the police force receive less funding? BLM says yes! 6: Why does the BLM website espouse feminism when black men are being murdered at much higher rates than black women? Edited by Chaos, Jan 16 2017, 04:45 PM.
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| Chaos | Jan 12 2017, 12:42 AM Post #2 |
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Question 1: Is Black Lives Matter a force for good?
Edited by Chaos, Jan 12 2017, 12:43 AM.
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| Chaos | Jan 12 2017, 04:13 PM Post #3 |
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Black Lives Matter was created as a result of murder that was completely misrepresented with false information by the media. Activists frequently point out that Black people are more likely to be the victims of police brutality or unfair police attention than whites, but statistics have shown this not to be reality. Black Lives Matter is a hate group masquerading as a civil rights activist group. The group has promoted violence against white people and violence against police officers. The movement is made up of thugs who perfectly embody the negative African American stereotype by being loud and violent. Their members have burned down buildings, looted businesses, locked roads, interrupted rallies, invaded and protested malls and restaurants, and regularly threaten and attack police officers. They threaten to dox people online who challenge their ideology. Their ideology goes against facts. Unarmed black people and white people are killed at the same rates even despite black people committing 50% of violent crime. They shut down a gay pride parade in Toronto and invaded a Toronto police department ceremony honoring the LGBT community. I am of the belief that the way to help Black People is to do something about this ghetto culture that glorifies violence and drug use, and instead encourage black people to become educated and make wiser choices in their life so that hopefully by the next generation black people won't need to be the highest recipients of welfare in the states. |
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| Kiris | Jan 12 2017, 06:01 PM Post #4 |
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I disagree with how you define Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter is an activist group formed in 2013 after the unjustified targeting and murder of Trayvon Martin whose murderer George Zimmerman was acquitted for his crime. Their purpose is to campaign against violence and systemic racism toward black people and to bring justice to victims of racially motivated persecution and violence. I do agree that not all members of this group are peaceful, however I have seen this group slandered more than anything else by enemies of the movement who will unfairly conflate any angry black protesters with the BLM movement. Stats have actually proven that African Americans are targeted by police at higher rates than white people and I will post those links below. They are more likely to be convicted of marijuana charges and are less likely to be called in for a job interview if they have a "black" sounding name, plus racism is often discrete. Incidents of racism are rarely publicized but it's something I've heard many of my African American friends tell me. I hear their stories and I believe them. Racial inequality is still a problem that hasn't been solved. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/ More than 1 in 3 black people kiled by police in 2015 were unarmed. https://www.greenrushdaily.com/2016/02/18/black-people-more-likely-to-be-arrested-for-marijuana-possession/ Black people are more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=702 Black people are more likely to be unfairly stopped by police officers. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men Young black men between ages of 15 and 34 are nine times more likely to be killed by police officers than any other demographic. https://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white Young black males are 21x more likely to be shot by police than their white counterparts. http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf - People with "white" sounding names are around twice as likely to be approved for a job interview as people with "black" sounding names. |
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| Chaos | Jan 13 2017, 05:45 PM Post #5 |
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Fair points but even though discrimination can happen it's not widespread enough in my opinion for a hate movement that incites civil war such as this and let's be honest blacks are part to blame. They need to fix their community and focus on black on black crime which is far more prevalent. “I’m trying to figure out if black lives really matter,” an emotional Mr. Lewis said in the video posted on his personal page Saturday. “The March murder rate rose by 29 percent, but we’re not rioting in the streets over black-on-black crime. “I’m trying to figure out in my mind why no one is paying attention to black men killing black men,” he continued. “Why do we always find ourselves as the victims, and now we have the separation once again that we’re being victimized because of one bad white cop, two bad white cops, three bad white cops, killing a young black brother. But every day we have black-on-black crime, killing each other. “I know black lives matter, because I’m a black man, but man, stop killing each other. Man, we got to put these guns down in Chicago. Baltimore, Miami, man it ain’t that hard. You got to be OK with earning a living. It ain’t supposed to be easy,” Mr. Lewis said. “If we don’t change what we’re doing not only will our kids not have a future, but we might find ourselves extinct.” - Ray Lewis Black on black crime is a huge issue in the states. Data shows that 90 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks in 2013. This data comes from the FBI’s annual Crime in the United States reports so it's a reliable source. http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2015/may/21/updated-look-statistics-black-black-murders/ Clearly the left can argue that these findings don't mean anything because black on black crime isn't racially motivated, but does it really matter? Shouldn't all black lives matter and not just black lives that were lost by non-black people? Why doesn't Black Lives Matter work on trying to improve conditions for Black people through self-improvement and not just through changing the behavior of law enforcement which typically results from stereotypes generated by action black behavior in the first place? The 'black community' seriously should consider some self reflection, because they need to change their own behavior before others can change theirs. The facts remain that black people commit the most crime in the united states, and hate crime statistics have actually dropped over the years which completely destroys BLM's narrative. If Black Lives Matter, then black people need to do something about the environment they are raised in and to abnegate the negative cultural influences that plague their culture. Effective cultural change must be made so that black crime rates drop, and poverty rates and welfare dependency decreases. Black people who are stopped by police must obey the commands they are given. http://www.dailywire.com/news/12198/fbi-hate-crime-statistics-anti-black-hate-crimes-aaron-bandler - anti-black hate crime rates have dropped significantly since 2002-2008. https://therationalists.org/2016/07/13/why-do-black-people-commit-more-crime/ FBI statistics show that black people accounted for most of the arrests for murder (51.3%), robbery (55.9%) and gambling (58.9%). They were also significantly above the average in several other categories: weapons crimes (40.7%), prostitution and commercialized vice (41.8%) and aggravated assault (33.1%). http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/2/20/1279118/-Black-People-on-Welfare-Let-s-Not-Sugarcoat-It Black Americans are more than twice as likely to be on welfare than white Americans. |
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| Kiris | Jan 14 2017, 05:30 PM Post #6 |
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It's hard to erase decades of systematic racism, and black people are more likely to grow up in environments that disadvantage them. The goals of Black Lives Matter are simple. According to their website: Black Lives Matter is a chapter-based national organization working for the validity of Black life. They are working to rebuild the Black liberation movement. Their website also states "BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society." Some of the movement's policy solutions are to end broken-window policing, end policing for profit, limit the use of force, demilitarization, mandatory body cameras, proper training, and more. Among their demands also include calls for “an end to the criminalization, incarceration, and killing of our people” and “independent Black political power and Black self-determination in all areas of society.” Further demands include to “Demilitarize law enforcement, end money bail, end deportations, and end the systematic attack against Black youth, and Black trans, gender non-conforming and queer folks" and to “Immediately pass state and federal legislation that requires the U.S. to acknowledge the lasting impacts of slavery, and establish and execute a plan to address those impacts.” Black Lives Matter is not just one organization. They're made up of numerous AA lead organizations but some of their collective goals are clear and I have listed some above. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/08/25/the-black-lives-matter-policy-agenda-is-practical-thoughtful-and-urgent/?utm_term=.d6895699da16 https://www.thenation.com/article/what-does-black-lives-matter-want-we-now-have-it-in-writing/ |
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| Chaos | Jan 15 2017, 03:49 PM Post #7 |
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Among what Addie already listed, she leaves out one crucial goal. The BLM movement wishes to defund police departments which makes their job both less safe and less effective. Patrisse Cullors, one of the leaders of Black Lives Matter confirmed that the movement wishes to defund police departments with a statement she made in an interview with NPR's Ari Shapiro in which she stated "I do know that what feels most resonate at this moment is a call for defunding police departments." How are you going to defund Police and give them mandatory body cams at the same time? How are you going to insure that they are better trained? Clearly defunding police is not a good solution. http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/07/13/485895828/black-lives-matter-founders-describe-paradigm-shift-in-the-movement - Black Lives Matter founder confirms that the movement wishes to defund police departments. Edited by Chaos, Jan 15 2017, 09:04 PM.
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| Chaos | Jan 17 2017, 09:19 PM Post #8 |
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Addie do you have any disagreements with what I'm saying or do you concede? Black Lives Matter either promotes hate crimes against white people or they cause it themselves. They embolden black people to punish individuals who have done nothing wrong to them because of the past and because of anti-white rhetoric that BLM pushes. BLM promotes false facts to fuel their agenda, and the movement worsens racial tension between white people and black people in the united states. Their website even even condones violence so you can't say this isn't BLM. https://i.gyazo.com/ba315045897a2be09ee2290fe03aa413.png |
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| Plus | Jan 20 2017, 06:55 PM Post #9 |
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Addie told me she doesn't have the time or motivation to continue this, closing. |
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