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Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 RP OOC
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Ragnorra Jun 2 2011, 04:10 PM Post #391
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Well it's not like it;s hard to beat hide checks anyways. Stealth is pretty useless all considered, it's so easy to beat it's funny. Unless you have Hide in Plain Sight. Or invisibility. Or Shadow Blend etc.
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SCComega Jun 3 2011, 04:40 PM Post #392
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sadly doesnt hit. and you opened yourself to an attack of opportunity.
How does a critical hit sound to you? :D
*Dm is evily happy*

course, thats not what i rolled. but since your AC is 17 you still get hit by the dagger.
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Ragnorra Jun 3 2011, 05:01 PM Post #393
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So did I find the other kobold or are you going to tell me what he can possibly be hiding behind? It's that or there's a level 6 kobold shadowdancer in the room anyways.
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SCComega Jun 3 2011, 05:36 PM Post #394
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we're in the cellar of a tavern. With kegs of alchohol and wine racks and such. Plus odds and ends.
No no autospot.
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Ragnorra Jun 3 2011, 06:12 PM Post #395
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Should have mentioned that in the description of the room. that said I shall edit in my spot check made as a standard action. I went before Aschervak and you by the way.

I rolled a 20 so 33 total. He's totally a dear in my headlights.
Edited by Ragnorra, Jun 3 2011, 06:14 PM.
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SCComega Jun 3 2011, 06:21 PM Post #396
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he is hiding behind Artesius. making an attack on him would provoke a 50% chance of also hitting Artesius.
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Ragnorra Jun 3 2011, 06:31 PM Post #397
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That doesn't count as cover for hiding unless he has hide in plain sight. For that matter he'd have provoked an attack of opportunity for sharing a space with Artesius if that 50% thing was there. So I don't think that works. If you're saying he's in the space behind him I only have a -4 to hit if I throw the spear since he has soft cover.

So I'm a little confused. Unless you're running a house rule I'm not aware of?
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SCComega Jun 3 2011, 06:52 PM Post #398
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Line of sight. given the fact that Artesius is larger than the kobold, and you are on the opposite side of where the kobold is relative to artesius, yeah. plus he is prone on the ground.
So yes it qualifies as cover. Unless you want to debate the ability for a short person to hide behind a taller person.
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Ragnorra Jun 3 2011, 07:43 PM Post #399
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Kobolds are only about 3 feet shorter than Artesius on average. You never mentioned he was prone before. You need to say these things before hand. That said, he'd be easier to see prone because Artesius' legs are not a single solid mass. I can look between them. And he isn't holding stock still obviously since we all are moving simultaneously in a 6 second period.

And creatures do not provide hard cover. If Artesius was Large size or bigger I would buy it. But the size difference is too small. They apply soft cover which means a -4 penalty to ranged attacks beyond it only. Nothing much else. I have direct line of sight to him so he has to use Bluff for a distraction and had to get behind real cover to hide or he has Hide in Plain Sight. If you want to say otherwise that's fine but it IS a houserule and I'd like to know these things ahead of time so we don;t have these long discussions about it.

Also you never said if he's sharing a space or not that this 50% thing is coming from. Since hitting the cover was taken out of 3.5 from 3.0 except during a grapple or sharing a space.
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SCComega Jun 3 2011, 07:46 PM Post #400
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I also include things like practicality. Main point is he is a small character, your character wouldn't know it is prone unless you spot it, and the fact is most people don't look at the ground immediately. As such it is quite possible to hide. The fact the room is dark would make it quite easy, except for the fact that yes, you and Ashervak have darkvision. As far as where he is, the 50% chance is because an attack from where you are standing would pass through the square Artesius is in.
but if you want to make it so she noticed the kobold there immediately, sure, why the heck not.
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>.>
Main point of it was so he didnt die immediately. Cuz I'm trying to give your characters a chance to, you know, get some information instead of just going on a killfest.
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Ragnorra Jun 3 2011, 07:58 PM Post #401
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You mean like what I planned to do in the first place? I'll give you some advice, don't do things like that. If there's important information you want the pcs to have, make sure there's multiple ways of finding it out. Put a note on his corpse or something. There's alot of ways to do that without making the pcs jump through hoops because you don't want a monster to die. It does not go over well, trust me.

As for attacking through Artesius' square, that's where the -4 penalty comes from. the 50% thing is 3.0 not 3.5, it was removed.

I'm not saying you cannot say that he can hide in plain sight behind someone, but I am saying that's not what the rules say. If you change it, it's a house rule. You can do that but warn us ahead of time, don't spring it on us. It doesn't look good.

As for not look on the ground, he's in plain sight. I saw a kobold there, he dropped to the floor and lied down and thus he is hidden? If a bulldog lies down behind you while I'm watching it, do I suddenly miss it? He hadn't actually moved since Artesius was literally right in front of him. So it's basically using Hide in Plain Sight, an ability that literally states let's you hide while you are being directly observed and in plain sight. As long as you are within 10 feet of a shadow but it's a lightless room so either way.

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Riffus Maximus Jun 3 2011, 09:54 PM Post #402
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I'd like to know how did I provoked that attack of opportunity?
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SCComega Jun 3 2011, 10:26 PM Post #403
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you missed him. he took his turn and attacked.
anyhow
Can we just play?

And the 50% thing was removed in 3.5? I don't remember reading that they removed it.... >.>
*makes note to reread DM handbook* also, so a three foot tall bush can be used as cover but not a six foot tall humanoid wearing an overcoat? Really?
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Riffus Maximus Jun 4 2011, 12:42 AM Post #404
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Well, that's not what I call an attack of opportunity. It's just an attack.

Anways, I'll make a post. 2HP left.

Rolled a 8 for 14. 12 damage if it hits.
Edited by Riffus Maximus, Jun 4 2011, 12:53 AM.
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Ragnorra Jun 4 2011, 02:25 PM Post #405
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Hm? If you mean the sharing space thing I was referencing he provoked it, not you.

But anyways, yes the game rules are weird but do note that a bush has far more consistency than a guys legs. It's harder to see through a bush than between legs. And a bush isn't really considered cover, it's considered concealment. It won;t block much but it will hide you. People don;t provide concealment though, since then every time you are in melee you'd have 20% dodge chance based on where a source of light is and there is no rules for facing. It raises a lot of uncomfortable situations.

We can put it this way. If you want to say this works it's a houserule and as I've said I'm fine with that. And I will be taking advantage of it accordingly. You might want to consider the ramifications abit. That said, since everyone else took their turn again I assume it is my turn now.

And yes it is a good idea to go over the book once in awhile.

Rolled an 11 for a total of 18 Intimidate.
Edited by Ragnorra, Jun 4 2011, 02:53 PM.
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