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Drummy May 12 2011, 07:14 AM Post #286
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That doesn't change the fact that none of the characters in this RP currently (going by the sheets) has bothered to learn to produce said aura. If you're going to keep us in teams that can protect one another from guns, you need to make an NPC for each PC.

Even just expanding all copper in the area wold take considerable energy. To do it to a large enough area to make it impossible to fire guns from several yards away possibly means using even more energy.

We kind of suck if we can't keep magic secret from the world and have to rely on out muscling soldiers. Plus if they know about us, the military should be able to wipe us out with nerve gas and the like. Or whole wide array of non-artillery approaches.
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Ragnorra May 12 2011, 07:17 AM Post #287
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I also add silver bullets will probably mess up your gun about as bad as any magic. And worse comes to worse, if I want to shoot you, I will make a deal to make my gun aura proof. But really, my previous tactic is far more effective to deal with most opponents.
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Masterwolfie May 12 2011, 07:33 AM Post #288
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That doesn't change the fact that none of the characters in this RP currently (going by the sheets) has bothered to learn to produce said aura. If you're going to keep us in teams that can protect one another from guns, you need to make an NPC for each PC.

Even just expanding all copper in the area wold take considerable energy. To do it to a large enough area to make it impossible to fire guns from several yards away possibly means using even more energy.

We kind of suck if we can't keep magic secret from the world and have to rely on out muscling soldiers. Plus if they know about us, the military should be able to wipe us out with nerve gas and the like. Or whole wide array of non-artillery approaches.
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That doesn't change the fact that none of the characters in this RP currently (going by the sheets) has bothered to learn to produce said aura. If you're going to keep us in teams that can protect one another from guns, you need to make an NPC for each PC.

Not my problem if I'm to be honest. There are so many ways to use magic to counter guns and such. It just takes thinking outside the box. But making a simple agent isn't going to be hard. Its not like I'm going to make each one with a history and call them Jim, Paul and Bob.

Nothing is stopping you from adding said ability. This is why its good we caught this before the rp actually started.

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Even just expanding all copper in the area wold take considerable energy. To do it to a large enough area to make it impossible to fire guns from several yards away possibly means using even more energy.
Not exactly. Being a passive ability it doesn't require channeling of the sort. It drains magic of cause but it only requires more energy if you want to expand the aura.

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We kind of suck if we can't keep magic secret from the world and have to rely on out muscling soldiers. Plus if they know about us, the military should be able to wipe us out with nerve gas and the like. Or whole wide array of non-artillery approaches.
The public and modern armies don't know about us at the moment. I've said this many times already.


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Drummy May 12 2011, 07:38 AM Post #289
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Nothing is stopping you from adding said ability. This is why its good we caught this before the rp actually started.
Are you giving me permission to allow my Magic Prosthesis to activate even after my brain is turned to pink mush?

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It drains magic of cause but it only requires more energy if you want to expand the aura.
If its effective against guns, by definition it has to effect a large area. Guns are long range weapons. Plus if characters are doing this unconciously then it should be effecting all sorts of things since they have no means to control it.
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DigDog May 12 2011, 07:49 AM Post #290
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It seems like you just don't want guns in your RP and couldn't come up with a good reason why.
The more I read the more this seems to be the exact situation.
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Huzzah! I am not alone.
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Not really.

Look, any smart person wouldn't alert you. They'd just stand twenty or so feet away from you...and BLAM!

Of course since this is Japan that could be kind of difficult with the people and all, but they could memorize your scedule wait for you to start down the subway steps, pop out from around the corner (a good twenty feet or so).... and BLAM!

Or find your appartment and wait at the opposite end of the hall.... and BLAM!

Or set up a roost on one of the thousands of tall buildings...and BLAM!

Or wait for you to take a seat visible form the window at a restaurant... and BLAM!

Or waiit for you a few doors down from your work office.... and BLAM!

are you starting to see a pattern?

Wolfie! I can't believe you deleted your post!
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The more I read the more this seems to be the exact situation.
Too bad it isn't. Guns are a major factor because this is indeed a modern roleplay. It doesn't mean though I'm going to allow people to headshot other PCs. If you got a better idea then suggest one and I will consider it.

The idea of magic causing the copper jacket of a bullet to expand causing most standard guns to jam isn't exactly a bad idea.

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Yes that can happen. I've already considered said factors and I will quote what I recently said.

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Anti-magic teams aren't formed yet. This is because agents of both organisations are everywhere to make sure this doesn't happen. However I can spoil it for you and everybody anyway. One such team will emerge.


If the modern day police force, army and government manage to keep information of such attempts to take out targets would be a miracle at this moment of time. There are agents everywhere. In the schools, in the police force, in the army and in the government. How else do you think both organisations have managed to keep this war a secret for so long.
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Drummy May 12 2011, 08:11 AM Post #294
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There really is no reason to assume that ever Rune user has or is even capable of developing a means to reliably counter guns, especailly from a far range and on an around the clock basis. Plus there are have been no other spells listed as universal or group specific, so everyone using the same technique is even more farfetched.
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Masterwolfie May 12 2011, 08:29 AM Post #295
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Magic is unpredictable, expansive and mysterious. To call it far-fetched that two organisations which has survived since the Crusades is rather naive. The two groups have prepared for such a day since the creation and use of the musket, the pistol.

Barriers, defensive portal, expanding certain atoms of an item are just few of the possible ways which agents have survived the modern area. But also don't forget the two organisations haven't been living in the dark ages. They use technology, the paladins even have their own satellite allowing them to watch the world from above, they have spies and anything you can think of which modern governments use in warfare and cyber warefare. This isn't just a roleplay about magic users, its about people with the ability to use magic in modern times.

It's very naive to say such organisations that have survived longer then any modern government, haven't found a way to counter the use of guns. It's not perfect. But it works. Agents still die due to gunfire but it still works.

In the end magic is still a weapon used by humans to further their own goals. Like the gun, the bow and arrow and the sword. It's used as a means to an end
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Oh god did you just pull the "it works because it's magic" card?

I think you did.

Silly Drummy, just do a little make-believe here, it's magic! Magic can do everything and it doesn't even have to make sense.

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You can't ask questions, it's magic. It doesn't explain anything, it's magic. You don't know where it comes from, it's magic! That's what I don't like about magic, it does everything by magic!
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Could be worse. It could have worked because Word of God.

Regardless, here's how we handle this. We set out in stone how far and how strong this field thing is. Since I doubt this field hits every gun in god knows how wide a radius, since everything jamming up would be a mage warning.

Actually, there's a good reason to have a gun. Want to know if there is a mage around? Check if your bullets got fat. Walk around with a bullet in hand, if the casing starts warping, you're in trouble. Matter fact, I've decided Oracle wears a bullet around her neck for that exact purpose.
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That's not noticable enough. Wear a glass pearl filled with copper. When the copper extends the glass will shatter. It's like a better version of the can and string tied to a door.
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Masterwolfie May 12 2011, 10:06 AM Post #299
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Oh god did you just pull the "it works because it's magic" card?

I think you did.

Silly Drummy, just do a little make-believe here, it's magic! Magic can do everything and it doesn't even have to make sense.

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You can't ask questions, it's magic. It doesn't explain anything, it's magic. You don't know where it comes from, it's magic! That's what I don't like about magic, it does everything by magic!
Not exactly I just have a feeling you stopped there before understanding my point. I wont blame you because it's not like I write the best sentences.

Still It's not necessarily magic can do anything, its more down to the fact there aren't any set limits. Just as much people find new cures, fine new methods. Somebody will discover a method to deal with a situation using magic. Writing it off as far-fetched is again naive. They thought splitting an atom was impossible, but they did it. Magic develops as much as technology, maybe even more, I find it must be more flexible due to the nature of magic.
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Ragnorra May 12 2011, 10:27 AM Post #300
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Well it depends if it does this to every piece of copper or just bullets?

For that matter, wouldn't mages annihilate copper wiring around them too? Sounds like if a mage can stop a sniper rifle, they'll cause mass electronic malfunction.
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