| Day 1: The Adventure Begins; Let's Start Exploring | |
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| Dr. Tenma | Oct 21 2016, 08:21 PM Post #71 |
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Yeah I'll admit I'm not a fan of joke votes either. It contributes to the trend of making day 1 muddled at best, useless at worst. But I don't see anyone unvoting. For now there are still several people with almost no posts and others who have done nothing but discuss guilmon's fate, but even worse is some of the fluff I'm seeing. But then again it's not like I have anything meaningful to pursue other than call out the things I see like I have been. Question to people who are/were considering voting Guilmon: do you still want to lynch him at this stage and if not, is your next option to vote no lynch? |
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| Dandy | Oct 21 2016, 08:24 PM Post #72 |
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Not in these circumstances. One thing is a lynch based on logic and reasoning that naturally gets going and the person ends up getting lynched based on some evidence. Even if that person ends up not being mafia, you can still trace the events that led to the lynch happening. In this case you want to lynch because it would give us information. Pappugg wants to lynch because it would give us information. Mimi wants to lynch because it would give us information. If everyone is using this as the only logic to push for a D1 lynch, then in D2 we will reach the conclusion that everyone decided that a lynch on D1 was worth it because it would bring us information. And the information that we get is that everyone wanted a D1 lynch because it would bring us information. Basically, the theory is leading the evidence instead of the opposite.
That one is going nowhere, unlike yours. |
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| Mimi | Oct 21 2016, 08:38 PM Post #73 |
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Could you be more specific about the "some of the fluff I'm seeing" bit? Calling it out is indeed helpful, but it would be great if we were all on the same page. Additionally, could you elaborate your views on the value of lynching an inactive on Day 0? Dandy: your reducing my argument to simply wanting information from kills while removing the context of seeking it from inactive players who would otherwise be unable to really contribute or help the town otherwise, and become a problem later on. Its very easy to simplify it as absurd when you put it that way. |
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| Dandy | Oct 21 2016, 08:45 PM Post #74 |
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I didn´t. I always contextualized our discussion to what would we do if Guilmon or any other inactive player would end up participating. That´s the discussion. I´m fine with lynching an inactive person. I don´t like lynching active players in this kind of setup and I already explained why. |
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| Mimi | Oct 21 2016, 09:07 PM Post #75 |
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What Dandy said: "Not in these circumstances. One thing is a lynch based on logic and reasoning that naturally gets going and the person ends up getting lynched based on some evidence. Even if that person ends up not being mafia, you can still trace the events that led to the lynch happening. In this case you want to lynch because it would give us information. Pappugg wants to lynch because it would give us information. Mimi wants to lynch because it would give us information. If everyone is using this as the only logic to push for a D1 lynch, then in D2 we will reach the conclusion that everyone decided that a lynch on D1 was worth it because it would bring us information. And the information that we get is that everyone wanted a D1 lynch because it would bring us information. Basically, the theory is leading the evidence instead of the opposite." Literally no mention of inactivity as an important factor. You see the problem here? We entered a situation in which we have to define what sort of activity we expect of each other as friends and as townies, so failing to include that factor in a summary of the day misses the point entirely. And the issue that has emerged from it. Namely, it seems we all have a different idea of what defines someone as active. It seems for some people its just guilmon not being around for around 48 hours, while for others (such as yours truly ^_^) its a case of people sitting around an entire day adding nothing of value to the conversation. Thankfully, the existence of this conversation as a whole has led to most players coming out and stating specific opinions and views, some less than others. I would still like to hear more from Yuuki and Kakashi (is that the name? one-eyed ninjamon?), and am waiting on Tenmon to clarify the things I asked him about, but bottom line is we were able to get to a point where for the most part everyone has commited to a specific, traceable, point of view. Ideally in future days inactivty can be a non-issue to the point we can focus lynch votes on possible scum reads. |
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| Dr. Tenma | Oct 21 2016, 09:59 PM Post #76 |
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Well there is blatant fluff like the first non mod post or Sakuragi asking you out on a date. Then there's the joke vote posts which rightfully got called out almost immediately... then there's the less definable kind of fluff where people seem like they're contributing but not actually saying much of use. Like the Lelouch one I mentioned. I'm not really sure what you're going for here I mean fluff is fluff, too much to list every instance and pursuing it now would lead to half the town being prosecuted. Of course I discourage it but it's always the same story on day 1, I mean especially in early posts it seems inevitable but don't think i won't notice or that we should tolerate it especially after today. For your other question I mean being a no show during day 0 which is the pregame confirmation is a bad sign but it's inactivity once the game starts that actually counts. So yeah I have no issue with lynching someone who never posted during the first 48 hours of the game, especially since it also sends the message that we won't tolerate mafia who might be lurking as an easy way to avoid slipping, but in this case it sounds like the mods are nipping that problem in the bud which is fortunate and is also why I am asking what people have as a fallback plan because so far nobody has actually voted to no lynch. |
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| Mimi | Oct 21 2016, 10:09 PM Post #77 |
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Was simply eager to see it specified for the sake of those players. Receiving feedback on the value of our posts sounds useful, so it's nice for you to have called it out Tenmon-San! To me voting No Lynch establishes that I have concluded my research for the day enough to vote. Not the case yet, particularly since we still await the resolution on Guilmon. |
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| Lelouch vi Britannia | Oct 21 2016, 10:43 PM Post #78 |
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Guilmon was the obvious lynch as dead weight (or even possible mafia). If he does get replaced or if he suddenly shows up with and starts participating, my vote on him goes down. My next option isn't to vote No Lynch right away. There's still 24 hours, a lot can happen. The lynch/don't lynch Guilmon arguments can be analyzed. The Mimi/Dandy dispute in particular may go somewhere fruitful. All that Yuki, Isaac, Kira, Weevil, and Astroboy have done is say let's not kill Guilmon yet, give him time, etc. And about joke votes, Day 0 was for the jokes guys. |
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| Lelouch vi Britannia | Oct 21 2016, 10:55 PM Post #79 |
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In my last post, I meant to say Kakashi, not Kira. (I had formed an acronym with the first letters - IKEA...Y? - but then messed up who the K was. Also Yuki was suggesting to lynch Guilmon, not save him. The rest of the post still stands. Spoiler: click to toggle |
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| Claire Stanfield | Oct 22 2016, 12:12 AM Post #80 |
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I don't know what to say except that I disagree with your conclusion here. If people want to lynch for information and that's the whole reason then that's something to analyze in itself. But that's also mostly beside the point. I'm saying that we should try to find a valid suspect, pursue him or her and eventually possibly lynch them. The people responsible for the lynch will provide reasons for voting and it will not just be 'looking for information.' I don't think you can disagree with that but your whole attitude makes me feel like you're not even willing to try to look for scum today. |
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