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Day 2: Climbing the Mountain
Topic Started: Oct 23 2016, 10:46 PM (2,065 Views)
Dandy
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Ah you did. Silly me. Since it had no quote I didn´t relate it.
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Isaac Dian
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Oct 24 2016, 01:02 AM
@Isaac: If I accuse you that your vote for no lynch was just a way to take a stance, since by the time you arrived Guilmon was already at L-1 and you didn´t want the burden of hammering him, how would your respond?
I'd respond by saying that I wasn't terribly bothered one way or another if Guilmon was killed. It's a bit of a shame that Cavendish responded not long after and could have stepped in to fill Guilmon's role, but given our information at the time I would have been comfortable with either outcome.

Personally I prefer to have more information on someone before deciding to eliminate them, which means any vote early on will take more convincing. Until then, might as well try and keep the group as large as possible.

I'll have no remorse delivering the final vote when the time comes.
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Lelouch vi Britannia
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Ok so this question was posed yesterday; some stated their stance, most didn't. For simplicity's sake, I ask everyone to answer.

Had Guilmon's replacement shown up at least 6 hours before the Day End, would you have then voted No Lynch or pursued another lynch?

Knowing what we know now, I'd have gone for NoLynch close to day end. I prefer Day 1 no lynch than lynching without a good basis.
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Yuuki Rito
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Oct 24 2016, 02:54 AM
Ah you did. Silly me. Since it had no quote I didn´t relate it.
What, did you skim it?

Dandy: yesterday when you asked Pappug to elaborate on his vote against Guilmon, why didn't you ask the same to Lelouch, who had voted previously?

I don't think much can be gathered from the wagon against Guilmon, outside of finding out who is willing to lynch an inactive. Nobody's vote against him seemed suspicious to me.
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Yuuki Rito
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Oct 24 2016, 03:17 AM
Had Guilmon's replacement shown up at least 6 hours before the Day End, would you have then voted No Lynch or pursued another lynch?
I likely would have went for a no lynch. I was only interested in lynching an inactive member, and my suspicions on everybody else were little to non-existent.
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Dr. Tenma
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Oct 24 2016, 01:02 AM
@Dr. Tenma: There was lack of activity to a certain degree by some of our crewmates. Do you think this was intentional?

Well we had five players who each had under 5 posts and several others not much better so it's always possible that some are intentionally laying low due to having powers or being mafia (or bluffing?) but there's no way all of them did it on purpose so it's hard to generalize. But i'm well aware that I qualify as fairly inactive myself, and I especially feel bad that I was totally absent the last 12+ hours of the day. I knew i wouldn't be around for the end of day so I had planned to post before sleeping but things happened and I wasn't able to. Just for the record with no posts even by a replacement I would unquestionably have voted for Guilmon, even knowing his flip now it doesn't change the fact that voting for a complete no show would have been the right thing to do. I'm relieved that there were enough votes to hammer but still i apologize.

I look forward to your other questions to be answered as well especially the Kakashi/Weevil exchange because while Weevil seemed completely one track and definitely of interest I'm not sure about Kakashi's methods.

As for today Kira has two posts and one is 100% useless fluff while the other is already a vote... not sure I like it but I do agree with him. It bothers me already that Sakuragi seems resigned to go nowhere unless "someone slips." Really, nothing left that catches your eye? Unless I'm interpreting wrong you're practically already advocating a no-lynch on day 2 at the very start of the day which is like the most anti-town thing I can think. I'm tempted to put a vote already myself.

Lelouch vi Britannia
Oct 24 2016, 03:17 AM
Ok so this question was posed yesterday; some stated their stance, most didn't. For simplicity's sake, I ask everyone to answer.

Had Guilmon's replacement shown up at least 6 hours before the Day End, would you have then voted No Lynch or pursued another lynch?

Knowing what we know now, I'd have gone for NoLynch close to day end. I prefer Day 1 no lynch than lynching without a good basis.

I don't think there would be enough time in the last 6 hours to pull off another lynch but that said if that had happened and i were around I honestly probably would have voted for you. Your very first post less than 2 hours into the day was to vote on Guilmon for not posting in day 0. Later you tried to argue that the semi open setup gives us more reason to lynch because the mafia would never use him as a safe kill. But it never would make sense in the first place for mafia to lynch a complete inactive, and actually the fact that we know all the mafia are goons means we don't have to worry about roleblocks etc. and since we probably have a cop, the more reports the better. Don't get me wrong as I said I fully support lynching a total inactive but your reasoning there was backwards because if anything the setup tilts the argument the other way. And at the risk of sounding hypocritical because the replacement never did happen and I never did vote, I stand by my accusation that your inflexibility with your vote was stubborn at the time. And now that I think about it other than commenting once on Dandy's joke vote on you, you were pretty one-track on Guilmon just like Weevil, I wonder if you are buddies.

So I guess right now Lelouch is a suspect for me and Sakuragi is painting a target on himself too but I'll wait for more people to post/answer for the moment.
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Oct 24 2016, 03:17 AM
Ok so this question was posed yesterday; some stated their stance, most didn't. For simplicity's sake, I ask everyone to answer.

Had Guilmon's replacement shown up at least 6 hours before the Day End, would you have then voted No Lynch or pursued another lynch?

Knowing what we know now, I'd have gone for NoLynch close to day end. I prefer Day 1 no lynch than lynching without a good basis.
No Lynch. Would have been a shot in the dark otherwise.

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So the only way I can start/participate in a discussion is by targeting someone? Rather than talking about the benefits of not lynching with little evidence? I'm not expecting everyone to give a thorough analysis of every other player, and I'm not saying that I'm sticking to this no-lynch position forever. If I study the past few threads and see anything suspicious I'll point it out.
You could have asked questions or talked about something beside the fluff about everybody participating and not lynching without any basis, which should be rather logical.
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Oct 24 2016, 03:44 AM
Your very first post less than 2 hours into the day was to vote on Guilmon for not posting in day 0. Later you tried to argue that the semi open setup gives us more reason to lynch because the mafia would never use him as a safe kill. But it never would make sense in the first place for mafia to lynch a complete inactive, and actually the fact that we know all the mafia are goons means we don't have to worry about roleblocks etc. and since we probably have a cop, the more reports the better. Don't get me wrong as I said I fully support lynching a total inactive but your reasoning there was backwards because if anything the setup tilts the argument the other way.
Look who the mafia lynched today. Papugg, one of the least active players. It makes total sense for mafia to kill inactives in a closed setup as a "safe kill." The people posting and putting themselves out there, might be baiting the mafia to kill them, and have a power such as bomb, gun owner, etc. that benefits the town with their death. Here the mafia don't have to worry about these sort of roles, so killing inactives isn't as beneficial for them. However, killing low-actives makes it harder to trace who the mafia is, given the sparse interaction.


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and since we probably have a cop, the more reports the better.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, can you clarify?

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And at the risk of sounding hypocritical because the replacement never did happen and I never did vote, I stand by my accusation that your inflexibility with your vote was stubborn at the time.


He didn't show up on Day 0 (the day where you are supposed to show up so that we know you're playing). I was actually surprised we started Day 1 without all the members signing in; I thought that was the point of sign-in day. Then, about a third of Day 1 goes by, we hear we may get a replacement, but I wasn't convinced. Call me cynical, but I saw what happened with Ohm last game. [/color=purple]

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And now that I think about it other than commenting once on Dandy's joke vote on you, you were pretty one-track on Guilmon just like Weevil, I wonder if you are buddies.


Well I also called out Kakashi's prioritizing alleged unhelpfulness over complete inactivity.
I also
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Lelouch vi Britannia
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God damn that is one ugly post, sorry for the poor formatting.
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Holy damn, that is irrationally annoying me. The bolded part was supposed to be only "But it never would make sense in the first place for mafia to lynch a complete inactive" but everything after it got bolded instead.
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