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Day 2: Climbing the Mountain
Topic Started: Oct 23 2016, 10:46 PM (2,062 Views)
Mimi
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Oct 24 2016, 11:35 PM
For me that is very easily explained. I felt it best to lynch the inactive, and wanted to provide possible other reasons it was in our best interests to off him than the ones already posted.
so you were saying that it was in our best interest to off Guilmon to ensure mafia would have a harder kill?
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Mimi
Oct 24 2016, 11:38 PM
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Oct 24 2016, 11:35 PM
For me that is very easily explained. I felt it best to lynch the inactive, and wanted to provide possible other reasons it was in our best interests to off him than the ones already posted.
so you were saying that it was in our best interest to off Guilmon to ensure mafia would have a harder kill?
No, I was saying it's in our best interest to off him because the mafia wasn't going to kill him for us.
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Ok, I see. Makes sense with the context of your posts.
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It already had been brought up that inactives wouldn't contribute anything to scumhunting, their roles would be useless, and should they be allowed to live would encourage others to stay out of the spotlight.

I was saying that lynching him wasn't giving the mafia a "free kill" but rather getting rid of a hindrance for ourselves. That the "safety in numbers" concept was bogus, as the dead weight would limit our voting numbers.
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Yea, I'll take your explanation for that, though if you were paying that much attention to the discussion yesterday then it still makes me wonder why try to prompt the same conversation about Guilmon today.
Unless you had to do a reread?

Regardless, it would be GREAT if other people could come around and talk, more perspectives would be great.
On that, thanks for answering to my inquiry Dandy.
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Astroboy, you've made 1 post in the past 72 hours, and it was just making the case for a no lynch at that. Care to explain why your presence benefits the town?

I'll leave this here for now.

Vote Lynch: Astroboy
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Apologies for interrupting that train of inquiry but i'm afraid that Astroboy has asked for a replacement. Hopefully this time it will be more successfull.

The previous player isn't even able to respond anymore due to me changing their login credentials. (This only happened a few hours prior this post FYI)
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Wonder if that will deter Lelouch's vote this time
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Well this time we know Cavendish is ready to join (see AP thread, I doubt he would miss this one too).

Unvote

I can't help but wonder if the mafia is just sitting back and watching the town tear each other up.
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So Astroboy is the only player who hasn't posted but now supposedly he's also getting replaced which I only hope pans out better than last time with us more than halfway through the day. And actually given that the day is more than halfway over there are several people with only one post why by pretty much any standard is worrisome...

Isaac your only post was a reply to Dandy's question and you siad you'd have no remorse delivering the final vote but you can't just sit around silently until hammering any given wagon, that's super scummy so how about you at least give some opinions on what's going on and the two wagons we have so far.

Weevil you also just replied to a single question though you did add a couple of personal thoughts at least but i want to hear more from you, now that you don't have the easy script of pursuing Guilmon i need to know whether you're actually going to contribute to the town because I'm not exactly free of suspicion on you as it is.

Kakashi on the subect of Weevil do you no longer suspect him, were his posts after your accusation sufficient? Other than answering Dandy's question all you gave was a theory on mafia distribution based on activity but who do you think we should lynch today?

Mimi
Oct 24 2016, 11:11 PM
so much time and no one talks. So be it then, time for me to share.

Yesterday when answering a Dandy question I phrased a couple of benefits when it comes to lynching someone. The first of these involved the fact that keeping people active would make mafia kills more significant in terms of providing info.

Case in point, we know have Pappug dead, someone who posted little while still having a stance.

But thats beyond the point for now. What I found interesting at the time, is that for the most part when responding to this question, everyone who responded to it took the angle that the information gain from lynching someone was not worth the loss.
Its something I would consider a townie-focused stance.

HOWEVER, there were two people who behaved outside of this norm, one of them rather blatantly to the point it confused another. I speak of course of Sakuragi.
Basketball san's posts about this bit of information focused nearly entirely on what would or would not be a safe mafia kill, and I saw him mention "safer kill" and "safe kill" in at least two posts.
The second post was so blatantly unclear about the intent that Tenmon assumed he meant lynch (something which, again, is a townie-focused mentality), but then unfortunately Tenmon corrected himself before I was able to see Sakuragi aim to correct it himself. Oh well. It may still stand as interesting that instead of responding to Tenmon at any point, Sakuragi's next post was instead fluff about asking me out on a date. Ha, as if!

Basically, what bothered me is that of so many players, Sakuragi latched first on the mafia-focused line of thinking while others were instead pursuing the townie-focused logic behind the idea. And not only once either as qualification, but twice.

And then the fun part, is that when rereading D1 I found that Sakuragi wasnt the only one. Lelouch also did the same thing in one of his posts.

doesnt it stand to reason that someone in the mafia team would by default think of their benefit first before being able to consider the angles of others?

Given my posting ability at the time I am unable to really quote extensively, but if desired I am willing to provide concrete evidence about the posts I speak of.

So then, at this point I ask to the rest of you what you think about this.
Sakuragi in particular... two votes on you and now I give you another thing to answer to. Time to talk, little buddy.

Your post is very interesting and I clearly find both Sakuragi and Lelouch suspicious but I had not noticed the pattern of mafia mentality vs town mentality. IMO its hard to say if that alone is significant partly because it's kind of WIFOM but definitely worth noting anyways. And Lelouch's reply to you was reasonable, what I took issue with in that respect was that he thought this setup made the mafia less likely to kill Guilmon for us where my point is there is no setup where the mafia would kill Guilmon for us so his reasoning seemed like an excuse to push a lynch through.
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