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Day 2: Climbing the Mountain
Topic Started: Oct 23 2016, 10:46 PM (2,061 Views)
Dr. Tenma
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Oh I forgot Claire who I was saving for last because of the single post players he is the only one who seemed to actually take a stance and lay a vote. But still we can't have another Astro boy situation we still need more activity and if you truly stand behind your vote then with half the day over you might need to convince people to get the wagon going. I will state this now, I'd switch my vote to Sakuragi if needed because as it stands he is more than suspicious and unhelpful enough to merit it and I honestly don't expect Lelouch's wagon to gain traction because i think the case against him is a lot less direct than "there are no leads let's do nothing" but I'm glad at least one other person sees some of what i see.
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Isaac Dian
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Oct 25 2016, 01:11 AM
So Astroboy is the only player who hasn't posted but now supposedly he's also getting replaced which I only hope pans out better than last time with us more than halfway through the day. And actually given that the day is more than halfway over there are several people with only one post why by pretty much any standard is worrisome...

Isaac your only post was a reply to Dandy's question and you siad you'd have no remorse delivering the final vote but you can't just sit around silently until hammering any given wagon, that's super scummy so how about you at least give some opinions on what's going on and the two wagons we have so far.
I'm not super in to writing long finger-pointing essays at one another at the drop of a hat, on the most circumstantial of evidence.

I will say that last night I considered voting Lelouch, on the grounds that on multiple occasions he's tried to guide the debate down a particular avenue of thought and occasionally deflected answers (just my interpretation), but at the same time I don't entirely disagree with his line of inquiry. He's who I'm leaning towards.

Questioning Sakuragi makes a bunch of sense though. As a player I try to think of the game from multiple angles so I'm hesitant to jump on a player just for describing something from the Mafia's perspective. It definitely merits further investigation though.

In regards to my earlier response, I only meant that giving a potential hammer vote won't make me hesitate, not that I'm specifically waiting to hammer someone. I'll vote when I'm ready.
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Dr. Tenma
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No dissertations needed, in a few sentences you said a lot so thanks for that, now hopefully more people will also show up.
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Isaac Dian
Oct 25 2016, 01:23 AM

I will say that last night I considered voting Lelouch, on the grounds that on multiple occasions he's tried to guide the debate down a particular avenue of thought and occasionally deflected answers

No no no no, you don't get to just write that and walk away. Just vaguely point fingers and not really say anything? Can you give some examples? I find "guiding a debate down a particular avenue of thought" particularly meaningless here. You know what "avenue of thought" I was leading the debate? MY avenue of thought. In other words, in a debate I stated my thoughts and argued my position. And this makes me scummy.
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Oct 25 2016, 02:07 AM
Isaac Dian
Oct 25 2016, 01:23 AM

I will say that last night I considered voting Lelouch, on the grounds that on multiple occasions he's tried to guide the debate down a particular avenue of thought and occasionally deflected answers

No no no no, you don't get to just write that and walk away. Just vaguely point fingers and not really say anything? Can you give some examples? I find "guiding a debate down a particular avenue of thought" particularly meaningless here. You know what "avenue of thought" I was leading the debate? MY avenue of thought. In other words, in a debate I stated my thoughts and argued my position. And this makes me scummy.
And I immediately followed it by saying that I don't totally disagree with what you've said and the direction you've taken, which is why I haven't voted for you yet. Something about the way you've presented your ideas rubs me the wrong way a little but I can't put my finger on it.

I'm just presenting my own thoughts and interpretations, just as you have with yours. I don't have a case against you. Tenma asked for my current thoughts and I gave them.
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Just for posterity, I want to mention that I am also willing to change my vote to Sakuragi if that wagon gains more traction.

Hopefully other people can weight in on the current wagons sooner rather than later...
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I´ll have to keep this one short, but I´ll be back in some hours with more observations:

- On Sakuragi: I guess Mimi´s talking about this
"There are only 14 of us here, ya know. Lynching someone to force a safer kill will result in 1 less person than we'd have without a lynch. See, I can do math! ...I think...

Someone not being here at all indicates more that they are just...not here, not that they're mafia. Makes no sense to lynch someone who has a high chance of being a townie, and if they ARE mafia, they're a highly incompetent one. If I see this red creature around, I'll be sure to give him a headbutt to get info from him... "


It´s kind of confusing, and the safer kill wording doesn´t help.
To be blunt, I had him in on good standing for taking a strong position early on, however with this day, he startegy basically seems like "let´s just wait and things may or may not happen.". A lot less proactive than what I expected.

I also wrote on my notes: "Ends up taking a no lynch stance. Mafia trying to make a different stance than his companions?"
It´s kind of normal for mafia to try to join different sides and even argue amongst themselves in order not to get linked. This is why I inquired Isaac a couple of times today, cuz I felt like he could be the "different stance" mafia, but his interventions today made me less wary of him (maybe because I identify myself with this position on Lelouch).
While Sakuragi taking the lead on the no lynch "wagon" is commendable, in the end it´s a D1 stance on an overly discussed subject in which we can´t really say any side was right or wrong. It´s basically the easiest discussion possible to take a different stance.

He also replied to Kira´s accusation with a dumbfolding post Imo.
#10: "So the only way I can start/participate in a discussion is by targeting someone? Rather than talking about the benefits of not lynching with little evidence? I'm not expecting everyone to give a thorough analysis of every other player, and I'm not saying that I'm sticking to this no-lynch position forever. If I study the past few threads and see anything suspicious I'll point it out."

He doesn´t have to target someone and he knows it.
He talks about lynching with no evidence, yet he isn´t really trying to gather any by engaging on people.
He talks about the past few threads, but it´s not like that one is abundant on information. If it was, we wouldn´t be complaining that Pappug´s death is untraceable.

I asked him his opinion of the wagon that was currently forming against him in order to see how he would react.
He still didn´t answer, and quite honestly, if he takes more time I might not be able to further enquire him.
I don´t like his overly defensive attitude, he wants people to talk but doesn´t seem willing to "give back" by talking to them.
Maybe it´s just a different gamestyle and he´s being unfairly prosecuted for it, but it also fits in:
- The different mafia types stereotype;
- The player that doesn´t want to risk slipping up cuz he has something to hide stereotype.

On Lelouch: I´ll have to discuss this one farther down the road (won´t take that long) because there is still something weird about today´s conversation regarding him and I still haven´t been able to put my finger on it.
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@Weevil: What Kakashi question did you found confusing?

@Kakashi: Give me the name of two players that you feel might be purposely hiding in their inactivity, and a couple of reasons why.

@Yuuki: If I told you that someone on Guilmonn´s wagon is a mafia member, who would you think that is?
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Oct 25 2016, 06:16 AM
@Weevil: What Kakashi question did you found confusing?

@Kakashi: Give me the name of two players that you feel might be purposely hiding in their inactivity, and a couple of reasons why.

@Yuuki: If I told you that someone on Guilmonn´s wagon is a mafia member, who would you think that is?
I was the first to bring up replacement day 1 then kakashi told me this
Have you not been reading the thread at all? Sure a replacement has not shown up yet, but from what I've gathered, the mods have said there is a replacement. Wether or not they show up, your quick dismissal about "no talk of replacements" worries me.
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Sorry for low activity im very busy recently
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