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Day 3: A Space Man Dies; You must read the original post to find out who's dead this time!
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Mimi
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Regarding Yuuki, here are a couple of tidbits from him yesterday:

"I don't think much can be gathered from the wagon against Guilmon, ..."

"I merely stated that I don't see what info can be gathered from the wagon. Others might find information in it that can help, but I personally can't."

"No, that's all I see that we found out. I can't see any pattern or method to his wagon, and it was a seemingly cut and dry lynch. We can of course gather things based on other conversations that went on yesterday, but from the wagon we can't."

"I don't see what there is to talk about regarding Pappug's death. He was a fairly 'untraceable' kill."

I don't think I have ever seen anyone so intent on proving their uselessness, and the only reason I haven't thrown my vote there is the fact I'm still shaken about going deeply into Sakuragi's behavior for it to turn out to just have been a townie suddenly gone inactive. Even Weevil and Kakashi in their inactivity aim to throw new information or random observations into light without going "welp, I guess I know nothing"

Yuuki, do feel free to come along and respond to my opinion of you.
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Claire Stanfield
Oct 27 2016, 10:05 AM
Aaanyway. I'm not sure how useful analyizing the setup is even now that a power role has flipped. There's a nice little caveat that mentions modifications. And we have been scum hunting without waiting for reports.
The cop (if that's the role) is likely afraid to out himself given that we have a faith healer instead of a full doctor.
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Also, I have not overlooked questions people asked of me. Claire, I'll do yours. Lelouch, I'll answer yours at some other time, I still have to go through your first post.

Claire:
In part I naturally would want to invert my decision and get a Lelouch lynch in that it would give me information I currently don't have. Hindsight does that.
But if I were to aim and try and place myself in the moment, I think the fact is that at the very least Lelouch's constant presence is giving the town something to work with. Even as townie, Sakuragi having gone missing truly led us to shoot ourselves in the foot, which I am not happy with.

So with that in mind, I think out of the two wagons from yesterday we got the better outcome outside of a possible Lelouch mafia flip, which could still happen should we choose to pursue it and should the evidence stack up enough to merit it.
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Claire Stanfield
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There really isn't a lot to be gleaned from Dandy's posts.

I know the day is still young but having four wagons going at the same time makes me uncomfortable. Should we mislynch today we will have 8 players left tomorrow. Which means we could not afford another mislnch then. Today is somewhat crucial because of that. What I'm trying to say is that everybody who has already voted should really make sure they know what they're doing.
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Mimi
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Perhaps it would also help if people commented on the wagons themselves instead of just asking them to be automatically solved for them.
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Mimi
Oct 27 2016, 10:00 AM
Lelouch's main gripe has always been inactivity as far as I can tell, hence my comparison to it since the gross negligence you speak of is to me rather minor compared to the actual inactivity and uselessness situation.

Do you think grossly misunderstanding power roles is something of consequence that requires punishment by lynch?

I suppose the negligence is kind of like the last straw where his activity and behavior were already bad but then to have his first post of the day after players specifically said he needed to post more so we could get a read ends up being what it was is incredibly frustrating. I definitely think it's of consequence because in my experience when players get sloppy in such a basic way it is because they're mafia... only the mafia really has the luxury of not reading all the posts and happenings in at least a basic way because they don't need to scum hunt they just need to get townies killed though of course a good mafia tries to be a good townie but Weevil so far is clearly neither of those. I dislike your question "requires punishment by lynch" because it forces lines to be drawn that shouldn't have to be, like no obviously depending on what happens today something else could take priority and I never said Weevil was my number one want-to-lynch for the day I merely said i couldn't let that post slide and he deserved my vote, once you start acting like every vote signifies ultimate intent to lynch you lose all subtly of the game and this becomes a true witch hunt.

@Claire for your first question is your assumption that Lelouch was going after me as a target or am i just missing the context. I never felt he was necessarily targeting me so much as just trying to defend himself and having a hard time avoiding OMGUS, i don't recall him ever voting me and eventually he did go for Astro boy, after I bluntly suggested it to him I might add. And in the end he voted for Sakuragi without giving a reason anyway who already had a wagon since early on so if he's mafia he would have already known that things were going in the direction of a mislynch anyway.

For the second question it's a tough call, I suspected both but i was really increasingly unhappy with the way Lelouch was replying to me and leading me in circles even more than my original issues with his lines of reasoning so I think i would have been happy to lynch him and see his flip and since my vote was already there I probably would have kept it there. But Sakuragi probably had the most overtly scummy posts that day and never came back, so if I'm honest he might have been the more rational and by the book vote regardless, it's just i don't like that complete lack of at least some defense or post, it does not feel good in retrospect even if I think it was right.

@Weevil you suspect Kakashi for voting you day 1? care to elaborate. And what about Astro boy's inactivity is it that gets you I mean remember he was replaced so do you mean before or after the replacement and what do you mean by "something else?"

I have to sleep now but i'll see how things are in some hours, @Claire I really don't think we need to be that nervous this early on and Mimi if there's something specific you want me to comment on let me know but I did feel it was best for the moment if I let Lelouch reply to Isaac and not muddle it up.

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Perhaps.

I agree with Lelouch's vote on Isaac. Yesterday I made a note of Dian's post #52.

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I'm not super in to writing long finger-pointing essays at one another at the drop of a hat, on the most circumstantial of evidence.

I will say that last night I considered voting Lelouch, on the grounds that on multiple occasions he's tried to guide the debate down a particular avenue of thought and occasionally deflected answers (just my interpretation), but at the same time I don't entirely disagree with his line of inquiry. He's who I'm leaning towards.

Questioning Sakuragi makes a bunch of sense though. As a player I try to think of the game from multiple angles so I'm hesitant to jump on a player just for describing something from the Mafia's perspective. It definitely merits further investigation though.

In regards to my earlier response, I only meant that giving a potential hammer vote won't make me hesitate, not that I'm specifically waiting to hammer someone. I'll vote when I'm ready.
He says that the Sakuragi situation was suspcious to him and that it needed further investigation. He does not bother to ask any questions himself . That's exactly what Sakuragi had been accused of so it stood out to me.

I was going to call Isaac's vote for Lelouch OMGUS but as I just quoted he did already suspect Lelouch before. Weird timing. And what can I say, I read Lelouch's posts differently.

Dr. Tenma's vote for Weevil: Tenma is one player I want to rethink his vote. I do understand the frustration because all the information that Weevil ignores is available. But do you really think that Weevil is intentionally trying to confuse Town, Tenma? I can see him as a sensible lynch but we only have so many mislynches left (1).

Mimi's vote for Tenma: See above. I understand Tenma's frustration. Do you?
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Your response is satisfactory. Right now my main interest is seeing others comment on wagons and catching up on the Lelouch situation.
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Claire Stanfield
Oct 27 2016, 10:49 AM
Perhaps.

I agree with Lelouch's vote on Isaac. Yesterday I made a note of Dian's post #52.

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I'm not super in to writing long finger-pointing essays at one another at the drop of a hat, on the most circumstantial of evidence.

I will say that last night I considered voting Lelouch, on the grounds that on multiple occasions he's tried to guide the debate down a particular avenue of thought and occasionally deflected answers (just my interpretation), but at the same time I don't entirely disagree with his line of inquiry. He's who I'm leaning towards.

Questioning Sakuragi makes a bunch of sense though. As a player I try to think of the game from multiple angles so I'm hesitant to jump on a player just for describing something from the Mafia's perspective. It definitely merits further investigation though.

In regards to my earlier response, I only meant that giving a potential hammer vote won't make me hesitate, not that I'm specifically waiting to hammer someone. I'll vote when I'm ready.
He says that the Sakuragi situation was suspcious to him and that it needed further investigation. He does not bother to ask any questions himself . That's exactly what Sakuragi had been accused of so it stood out to me.

I was going to call Isaac's vote for Lelouch OMGUS but as I just quoted he did already suspect Lelouch before. Weird timing. And what can I say, I read Lelouch's posts differently.

It's really not at all the same as what Sakuragi did. Sakuragi drew fire for quickly resigning himself to an unproductive day and then failing to respond upon further questioning.

In contrast, I didn't add any questions because I felt that what the rest of you had already brought up was sufficient, particularly since Sakuragi hadn't responded to any of it yet. If there was an actual dialogue happening with Sakuragi at the time, yeah, I might have had something more useful to add.
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I dont expect to have been done going through the issac and lelouch argument yet, so I wont respond to that in a couple hours.

Claire: I can say right now that I have read Tenma's points and understand them, I'll probably say more later.

ALSO, I noticed you didnt respond to me elaborating on Yuuki. In fact, at the moment I would very much prefer a Yuuki wagon over the others, but again, the input of others is crucial to me at the moment.

I'll be out for the next several hours, but should be around again shortly before half the day is gone.
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