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Day 3: A Space Man Dies; You must read the original post to find out who's dead this time!
Topic Started: Oct 26 2016, 10:00 PM (2,279 Views)
Claire Stanfield
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Mimi
Oct 27 2016, 10:12 AM
Regarding Yuuki, here are a couple of tidbits from him yesterday:

"I don't think much can be gathered from the wagon against Guilmon, ..."

"I merely stated that I don't see what info can be gathered from the wagon. Others might find information in it that can help, but I personally can't."

"No, that's all I see that we found out. I can't see any pattern or method to his wagon, and it was a seemingly cut and dry lynch. We can of course gather things based on other conversations that went on yesterday, but from the wagon we can't."

"I don't see what there is to talk about regarding Pappug's death. He was a fairly 'untraceable' kill."

I don't think I have ever seen anyone so intent on proving their uselessness, and the only reason I haven't thrown my vote there is the fact I'm still shaken about going deeply into Sakuragi's behavior for it to turn out to just have been a townie suddenly gone inactive. Even Weevil and Kakashi in their inactivity aim to throw new information or random observations into light without going "welp, I guess I know nothing"

Yuuki, do feel free to come along and respond to my opinion of you.
I missed this post before.

I still find Sakuragi's behaviour more condemning because he said he'd be waiting for a scum slip or for somebody to direct his vote. That's how ou get ants influenced by mafia.

Yuuki has made questionable posts but he also made some others where he at least asked questions or responded to them.

Yuuki, if one of the four wagons had to be completed today which one would you choose? Do you think we can afford to go after another semi-active player today? Do you think we can afford not to?
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@Tenma:
Who do you think is the best 'want-to-lynch' today, if not Weevil? Why not pursue this other person?

@Mimi:
What about any of my mentions of my views on things? I answered questions and asked my own. I'm not being the most helpful guy here, but I'm being far from useless!

@Claire:
"If one of the four wagons had to be completed today which one would you choose? Do you think we can afford to go after another semi-active player today? Do you think we can afford not to?"

Out of the four current wagons, I'd say the one against Isaac. I support Lelouch's defensiveness. I don't agree with Mimi's pressure vote against Tenma, and Weevil's 'ignorance' he explained himself.
"But wouldn't mafia Lelouch have gone after an easier target if his goal was just to get somebody (mis)lynched? Astroboy who was barely around at the time, for example?"
He would've had a much easier time going after an inactive player, yeah. That's not enough to prove his innocence, and it would've been a really bad move for a Mafia to make come the next day.
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Sorry guys, will be able to contribute soon.
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Mimi
Oct 27 2016, 12:00 AM
@Kira, Claire: Both of you started the Sakuragi wagon rather early for reasons involving lack of actually helping in any way, but then didn't seem to respond at all to Yuuki expressing more blatant uselessness. What do you have to say about that?
If it wasn't apparant, first off, I wasn't able to post much further yesterday. But more importantly, besides being 'useless' - in contrast to Yuuki - Sakuragi's post seemed to have very much fluff around it, that seemed like it should make the post more important than it really was.

When it comes down to the 4 wagons right now, I don't think too much off both Weevil and Tenma. Points so far made against them aren't enough to me for voting them on this crucial day so far.

Between Isaac and Lelouch, so far I lean towards Issac's side. I agree more with his arguments, especially the ones about aggresivness, defensivness and dominating the conversation. And after the accusation, Lelouch hasn't posted again so far.

Kakashi also hasn't been online in a very long time, where art thou?

And has the uneasiness to cast a second vote onto someone to do with the fact that if those are two wrong townies mafia could just lynch him hastily achieving victory?
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Claire Stanfield
Oct 27 2016, 10:49 AM
But do you really think that Weevil is intentionally trying to confuse Town, Tenma? I can see him as a sensible lynch but we only have so many mislynches left (1).

If you think he's trying to intentionally confuse the town you're giving him way more credit than i am, I mean maybe his low activity is intentional but my accusation was just that he was being lazy and not bothering to read or understand the town's situation when he does post which I find scummy for reasons explained and I mean just look at his suspects they almost seem just like the people who called him out other than Isaac who is based on "gut feeling."

@Yuuki it's not set in stone yet, if the day keeps on track likely one of Lelouch or Isaac and I'm still leaning Lelouche right now but I really really want him to reply before I comment in detail there, but anyway it also depends on whether Kakashi makes good on his promise and I want to see if Weevil can even make a simple basic case against a single suspect and I want to hear more from you and Kira still.

On that note Yuuki you have finally when asked directly answered a single question about which current wagon you would choose but Mimi has a solid point against your reluctance to commit to any opinions, I mean is Isaac someone you actually suspect and if so why, if not who do you personally suspect? Now under scrutiny you have turned to asking questions but still deflecting focus away from yourself and in that respect yes I can understand Mimi's desire to lynch Yuuki but that's no different from what I'm doing so in the end this whole damn situation is as frustrating as ever.

Kira to be honest your one real post today makes you sound exactly like Yuuki, you answered the question asked just with the opposite answer as him but we have very little further insight into what you think we should do today and how to proceed which stands out in contrast to your early vote yesterday to start the Sakuragi wagon, suddenly the idea of Yuuki/Kira being partners pops into mind but really I've been associating people for having similar agendas/styles but that might be the opposite of what we're looking for. I mean guys we have 3 mafia and I'm not sure anyone other than me has actually attempted to link players as a team, well except Astro boy who said it's possible Lelouch and I are dramatic scum buddies but that's a hysterical idea to me.

I'm going to be busy for a while but I should be back around when the day is halfway over and at that point hopefully more will have happened and we can decide how to actually proceed.
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Oct 27 2016, 05:35 AM









No purple for this post, too much trouble to format.

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Or, maybe, and follow this closely here, I was actually uncertain about both you and Sakuragi. I refrained from engaging in much debate the first day because I saw very little to attack one another over. I was very aware that what I was saying was quite vague because I didn't have anything better to add. If you want to get specific now, I'm uncomfortable that you often post early and attempt to establish a specific direction each day. You also attempt to guide our impression of the mafia by repeatedly posting about their strategy instead of offering multiple perspectives of what they might be doing.


Because that's how a conversation works? Someone presents their view, I present mine, someone else presents theirs, et cetera. Or would you prefer I stay quiet till someone else talks, and then just agree with them? Anyone who posts first is "leading the conversation"? So excuse me for taking initiative here.

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As for why I said I didn't have evidence, it's because I didn't have enough data points. I had a feeling that I didn't like how you've played so far, but I knew there wasn't enough to really act on it.


Then why say I am leading the conversations in certain directions?
Or that I am deflecting questions? Something which you still haven't provided any basis for!

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Here's my case against you: You're overly aggressive:


You say this like it's a bad thing.

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You attack people over the smallest things. You accuse the less active people of being quiet mafia or useless inactives.


Not the "less active", more like the completely or almost completely inactive. Look who I voted for: Guilmon (0 posts), Astroboy (at the time 1 post in 72 hours), and Sakuragi (2 non-committed posts, then no followup to ANY questions asked of him).
But I have no shame in saying I am not happy with the very low active folk either, ie Kakashi, Weevil, Astroboy and you (until recently). Are you seriously suggesting they have helped us and not hindered us in this game?

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You accuse more active people of lapses in judgement because it doesn't fit your agenda.

My agenda? If something doesn't add up to me, I call someone out on it. This is what everyone should be doing.

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As has been well-documented, you very quickly pounced on Guilmon for being inactive, then covered your tracks later by saying you would have voted No Lynch despite being very aggressive against other less active people.

On Day 1. At that point, everyone else had at least posted and given their thoughts; we didn't really have any indication that half the group were gonna be mostly inactive afterwards.

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You've thrown accusations at least half of the group in the hopes that something will stick and start a wagon.

I will say with pride that I have thrown accusations at at least half the group. That is how you play this game. You look for something scummy, call someone out on it, ask questions all around, and see if something more sinister slips out. No, I was not doing it in hopes that something would stick and start a random wagon, I was doing it in hopes of exposing a scum.

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You're overly defensive:
Anytime someone says something about you is suspicious, you do your best to start an extended argument with them over differing interpretations instead of just politely explaining your previous actions.

This coming from the guy who says I deflect questions.

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Plus, you're overly aware of your weaknesses and look to turn the conversation away from them.

By answering people's questions and addressing their concerns? I have NOTHING to hide, I gladly discuss and steer the conversation TOWARDS people's issues with me.

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Look no further than your first post today, where you had written several paragraphs trying to overwhelm any accusations against you.

Ok, so you and Tenma are the only ones who have a problem with my first post today. You saying "I'm overwhelming accusations" Tenma saying "I'm not sure that's the best way to start the day."
I completely disagree. I can think of NO BETTER WAY to have started today.

While I'm at it:

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You're too eager to dominate the conversation:
There's nothing inherently wrong with posting a lot, but you do your best to draw in debate about things that are otherwise irrelevant to the main line of conversation. Today, for instance you made a big post early to attempt to guide the conversation away from yourself.


Did you miss all of Day 2 or something? The main line of conversation WAS about me. This post was a continuation of all that. Instead of not writing anything, waiting for people to bring up their questions 1 by 1, answer them, and spend the whole day on that, I put all the information out there that I could at the start of the day. If people found my answers insufficient, and considered me lynch-worthy after that, they could just lynch me after that. All those questions were going to be asked of me. All those answers were going to be given by me. I simply sped up the process, so that, in the case that people DID find my answers sufficient, they'd have time to pursue other suspects before the day ended.

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Likewise, you turned a small jab against you into part of a series of accusations against you that you could dismiss and attack in return, even though all they required was a moderate response.

So why make the jab if you didn't want a response? Yes, expect everything you write to be analyzed. Is your problem that my response was too long?

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And you never even acknowledged that you had misrepresented my words in the first place, so you could play the victim the whole time.

I misrepresented nothing. YOU gave several reasons I was suspicious. Then YOU said you have no proof. See, if you said "He just feels scummy to me," then said you had no proof, it would at least be better than giving specific reasons (leading conversations, deflecting questions) and then having no examples. But no, even then, it would still be pointless.

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And while people are busy discussing how some of the less active people have behaved and voted, you attack me over my posting habits.


So what do you want me to do?? Just stay quiet and let everyone else talk? I can't have my own suspicions or perspectives?

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When I defend myself and attempt to once again explain why I said what I did earlier, you attempt to lynch me, once again trying to twist the thread to what you want.

Because your explanation was lacking as I explained. AGAIN, that's how you play. You ask questions. see people's responses, and if they don't add up, you pursue them even more.

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As I've previously noted, you often post about what the mafia should do, which serves doubly as both a way of guiding our thinking about the mafia and a diversion from you as one.

Well if you have a different idea about what you think the mafia will do, you're welcome to share. Don't let me "guide your thinking" by posting my views. Post your own views. Have a conversation. We are all trying to anticipate the mafia's moves to hunt them out.

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The first day you immediately voted to lynch who you viewed as the most vulnerable person and argued throughout the day for his elimination.

Yes I did. Not cause he was vulnerable, but because he was inactive.

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The second day you waited until both Dandy and I had expressed willingness to lynch Sakuragi so that when you added the sixth lynch vote the decision was all but certain.

So looking at this from your narrative, if I was mafia, why would I wait and be reluctant to lynch someone I as mafia would know was Townie?
Not to mention, I already answered this in my first "distracting" post. But just look at my posts yesterday! I spent the majority of the day arguing with Mimi and Tenma, I noticed Sakuragi had at least posted but Astroboy was completely absent, then I said "I'll post my thoughts on Sakuragi a bit later." and guess what? I DID post my thoughts on him. You and Tenma both claim I voted him "without any reasons" but come on! Did you miss this?

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I was mostly distracted from the Sakarugi situation today due to my back-and-forths with Tenma/Mimi/others. On reinspection, I see why it failed to make a big impression on me - he's barely given us anything to work with.

His measly two posts in the past 48 hours were saying let's wait and see, but then he didn't wait and see anything. He deserves the lynch for inactivity alone.

I said it before, I'll say it again: I have a bad bad feeling the mafia is sitting back and watching the town tear itself apart. And lo and behold, Sakuragi's 2 posts are encouraging that


Honestly, how much more could I have been active yesterday?


Isaac
 
And now you offer the first lynch vote once more and accuse me because you don't like me and you see that some people are displeased with my actions yesterday.

I have no idea where this is coming from lol. You said it yourself - I've attacked half the town.
You've also said I could have pursued the trains of thought of other crewmates - looking at Yuki, etc.
You can't accuse me of shooting off in my own direction AND bandwagon jumping.

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Isaac Dian
Oct 27 2016, 05:35 AM
and this small jab recently which I made because you clearly have a problem with me.
HAahahahaha

You're just digging yourself deeper in this hole.

So to recap: First you make a jab at me for Dandy dying due to being suspicious of me because of your SELF-ADMITTED baseless accusations WHILE simultaneously saying your baseless accusation were harmless because nobody got influenced by them.

(You STILL haven't given any actual examples of me deflecting questions.)

Now you attempt to justify this self-damning jab by saying you made it because "I have a problem with you."


WHAT?

So because "I don't like you" you'll go out of your way to make accusations that YOU KNOW are misleading? You're admitting to intentionally twisting things to make me look bad to "get back at me" for "having a problem with you"?


If I could vote lynch you again I would.

No wait, you know what? I will.

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ISAAC DIAN! LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA COMMANDS YOU TO DIE!

Vote Lynch: Isaac Dian



There remains no doubt in my mind that he is mafia. If he flips Town, I will be the FIRST to put a vote lynch on myself tomorrow.
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I'll post a proper response in a bit but that last ploy is a scum move if I ever saw one.

At least you put on a good show.
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