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Day 3: A Space Man Dies; You must read the original post to find out who's dead this time!
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Isaac Dian
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Lelouch vi Britannia
Oct 28 2016, 01:03 AM
Nooooo! After all that, Isaac will have to live another day!

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Vote Lynch: Dr. Tenma
I'm of the same mind, amusingly. I hope you won't mind terribly if I postpone my response while we watch this play out.

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But Mimi makes some great points and Astro Boy apparently has some weird mishmash of one-shot powers. I'm not ready to vote Tenma yet.

@Astro Boy, two questions: is there any other information on other players that you can offer us from your role? And why did you wait until this late to vote Tenma, instead of earlier in the day?

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Holy moly imagine we just lynched Astro on Day2 for inactivity before Taka-tin showed up as I was trying to do... eh heh
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@Isaac Well that was anticlimactic lol

(kinda like the 1st season finale for Code Geass amirite)
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Sigh... this changes the whole situation so hard.

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Yuuki, please keep in mind the points that have led me to suspect you. But as it is that will probably not be as urgent right now given what just happened.
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Guys if Tenma flips Mafia, look who he's been after and who he's tried to defend or ignored the whole game
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Mimi
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If Tenmon flips do you seriously think it would be that easy? It is not uncommon for mafia scum to try and bus other mafia for legitimacy.

But really, that is the sort of stuff we talk about AFTER a flip, not before. For now Astro Boy vs. Tenmon should be the focus, although even then it is very hard to argue not voting for Tenmon. I'm just going to be really pissed if we mislynch Tenmon after losing Dandy.
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Mimi
Oct 28 2016, 12:56 AM
You seriously think that me finding your random vote without substance scummy is a trap, really? Any logical individual would have called out that vote, it came about extremely nonsensically and out of nowhere.
wrong ;) . If you noticed in this post:
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Planet_Explore_Maf/single/?p=10001897&t=10049794
I already said I thought Tenma was trying to convince us Lelouch was mafia. Obviously as a rare power townie I did not want to out myself and hoped we could lynch Tenma while I kept my role a secret since it is now only a matter of time until the mafia kill me.

as for it "being a trap"
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Astro Boy: Time to explain your vote a bit more. Kept my vote on Tenmon waiting to see who would be bold enough to pick that of all the wagons considering how thorough Tenmon was in explaining himself, and here we go, someone actually bit.
I'm all ears now =3
forgive me if I misunderstand but that really looks like you just stated I bit as in the bait as in what you lure things into traps with

Mimi
Oct 28 2016, 12:56 AM
But hey, things get interesting. On the possibility that you are being honest, this is a really good find given Tenmon's clear abilities as a townie and one that could give us the edge.
And then there's the possibility of you being scum who was caught being hasty, deciding to use the opportunity to throw a good townie to the bus, and figuring that while doing that you might as well throw dirt at another townie. So, with that in mind.

You need to explain yourself further. How do my actions make it hard for you to trust me?
I would assume Tenma's scum chums not knowing that I am the JAOT and had actual hard evidence would try to protect Tenma while casting doubt towards me for suggesting he was mafia.

Mimi
Oct 28 2016, 12:56 AM
I made it clear I dont trust Yuuki several hours ago, and it follows that if Im finally able to dismiss my Tenmon vote that I would want to vote pressure Yuuki into forming a tighter defense for himself.
It also follows that I would prefer actually having a lynch to not having a lynch at all, something consistent with my opinion since the game started. With that in mind, it is a transparency move to establish that while I believe in my wagon I am not stubborn enough to stick to it at the cost of us failing to achieve a lynch today.

And then, how is Yuuki an easy target? please define that for the group. I think Yuuki has expressed already, as in during the post he made while I was typing, that he is capable of defending himself. So I disagree with that, and would see other players as far easier targets.
Easy targets for "accident" lynches I see as players that it is easy to explain why we misunderstood them to be scum. People have given Yuuki trouble for various things so if he flips town it would be easy for the mafia to say "oh whoops, but look everyone else thought he was mafia as well!!!" example of someone who I don't think is an "easy target" would be Claire

Mimi
Oct 28 2016, 12:56 AM
Basically, claiming and then pointing fingers without actually elaborating why the individual you are pointing to is now suddenly untrustworthy is not enough to convince me you arent completely full of it. It is further nonsensical when you suddenly begin pointing fingers at the person who just called you out for making a questionable wagon choice without any development or elaboration whatsoever.
I know Tenma is mafia so you defending him increases the possibility that you are doing so as his teammate. I already stated I have been implying Tenma is mafia all day. I really don't feel like quoting every single one of his posts and saying "hey this is exactly how I would spin things if I was playing mafia" since that doesn't hold any value. If you had not already had a vote on Tenma and taken it off I would not find you defending him untrustworthy but it looks like you suddenly jumped ship as soon as it started making progress.
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Oct 28 2016, 01:07 AM
@Astroboy I believe your claim but I feel you are misguided about Mimi. Without the claim, your vote on Tenma didn't have much proof, and certainly looked scummy.
I understand if anyone else called me out on it I would not feel an issue, Mimi had voted for him and waited until I voted to unvote is what makes me not trust her. I am not sure if she is mafia but I do not trust her nearly as much as I did before

Isaac Dian
Oct 28 2016, 01:11 AM
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Oct 28 2016, 01:03 AM


But Mimi makes some great points and Astro Boy apparently has some weird mishmash of one-shot powers. I'm not ready to vote Tenma yet.

@Astro Boy, two questions: is there any other information on other players that you can offer us from your role? And why did you wait until this late to vote Tenma, instead of earlier in the day?
I am a Jack Of All Trades, I used my cop power because Tenma's posts really bothered me since they were exactly how I would post if I was Mafia pretending to be town so I figured if he was Mafia I found him, if I was wrong it would let me know he was a valuable ally.
a) No other info which is why I was hoping to wait before revealing what I was.
b) I waited to vote for Tenma because I was hoping I could do it stealthy and keep my identity a secret from the mafia. Bad news is that plan blew up in my face.

Lelouch vi Britannia
Oct 28 2016, 01:11 AM
Holy moly imagine we just lynched Astro on Day2 for inactivity before Taka-tin showed up as I was trying to do... eh heh
Or what if subbed in for the other guy and so we lost Astro Boy's powers since I can't be both.

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Again, mafia scum protecting their buddies relentlessly is a fallacy. With the full mafia team being around it makes perfect sense for one mafia to bus another, not for them to get defensive of each other.

My hesitation comes from:
- If this is a mislynch it is a legitimately crippling one
- I had admittedly not noticed that you had set up doubt on Tenmon before. I honestly didnt take it seriously either originally since it wasnt Tenmon himself that began the Lelouch wagon but me, so it made no sense to me when you went for it as an argument that would cast shadow on him. Now with the context of you claiming it makes a ton more sense, and I fully admit it is not a post I noticed and changes a lot how I see your actions.
- My vote on Tenmon was by all means a trap. The original intent was to see if Weevil would go hard OMGUS or if someone relatively inactive like Kakashi would just randomly come in and vote Tenmon while giving absolutely no solid evidence of having read his defense. But instead, you did that and I dont see how you can argue for your vote post as not seeming extremely scummy.
With that in mind, I think you give me too much credit on casting you as scummy. You did that to yourself entirely with that vote post that came completely out of context to what was going on. The fact that others admit it makes sense to have seen that as scummy should alert you of the fact that it was a very poorly executed vote.
- Claiming Yuuki is an easy target by comparing him to a not easy target is an illogical argument. You are ignoring Yuuki's ability to defend himself by comparing him to someone who has very little of a case going against him. There is no relation between these two observations.
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You considered that approach to a vote stealthy? You have got to be joking. It stood out harder than a pokemon in the digiworld.
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