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Day 4: Another Non-Spoiler Death Title; Did Anyone Die Last Night?
Topic Started: Oct 29 2016, 10:01 PM (1,227 Views)
Edward Weevil
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I think the fact that tenna lynched himself like that means that atleast 1 mafia has voted to lynch him
I expected astro to be cop he did well doing his one shot cop ability
My top suspect is now kakashi i trust mimi
Yesterday i went sleep come time after my last post i thought the fact that tenma is obvious lynch and i had some work the day after i didnt put alarm to wake up and kakashi and yuuki didnt said anything i didnt put vote early
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Yoshikage Kira
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Yeah, I have to say sorry for yesterday. The reason I was more hesitant to lynch then previous days was that I couldn't be there for the start of the day, where a vote cannot lead to cutting a day short. Yesterday we were close to hammering and I didn't want to be responsible for mafia being able to end the day early.
When I posted I - as I said - hadn't much time left to participate. I didn't want to accidently vote at the same time with Claire, who announced he was putting Tenma at L-1 soon. But before I could get an answer I was already away. Again, sorry, that was probably my fault. Not to speak that also my activity and motivation has gone down a bit, which in turn also has to do with the fact that activity is generally low this game.

The people I am less suspicious about at this point in time are Lelouch, since Tenma targeted him quite a bit earlier in the game, as well as Claire, who just didn't show any weird behaviour or interaction with Tenma.

Kakashi I can't judge, because he just isn't there.

And I try to figure out who I find most suspicious between Mimi, Isaac, Weevil and Yuuki, but I can hardly grade them there. Coupled with me obviously being suspicous to everyone else right now, I'd argue we're in quite a pickle.

I'd like to ask everyone, who in the following pairings would you rather vote at this point if you had to choose:

Isaac or Yuuki?
Mimi or Kakashi?
Weevil or me?


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Edward Weevil
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Yuuki
Kakashi
Kira

If i had to chose between myself and an active player like mimi i voted my self but you arent active and done things that makes you look scummy
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Mimi
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For reference, I'm rereading things multiple times so I don't expect to have anything conclusive on the situation for hours at least. Ideally I will be done compiling info before the midday mark.
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Yuuki Rito
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Halloween party, guys. Sorry for being away for so long. I got back soon into night's start.

Kira's not voting in time was kind of annoying. If we hadn't gotten Tenma, I would've been disappointed.

Astro's death is...pretty plain and simple. He was too powerful to NOT take the 50% chance on.

Weevil, your plain ignorance to my existence is saddening. I understand that I'm not the most active person, but please pay attention. You need to make me talk more? As Claire stated: ask away. If there's anything wrong with what I say or do, I can address it.

@Kira:
Isaac. I've already addressed my support for Lelouch's claims against Isaac so far. Also, I don't want to die.
Kakashi. I haven't pursued it much, but I've had my doubts on him since Day 1. Mimi's an asset to the town, while Kakashi's largely inactive. Even moreso than me.
You. Yesterday's not voting in time, and hesitance to vote. I understand not wanting to accidentally hammer, but you could pretty easily refresh the page to see if Claire'd posted.

Kakashi, what's with not posting right now? You said early yesterday that you have the next two days off so there's "no excuse for not posting". You posted only that one time yesterday.
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Edward Weevil
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Mods is kakashi lurking or inactive he is like ninjaing the whole game
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Mimi
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lol, you guys picking on Kakashi is hilarious to me.

You know, since exactly all of you failed to show up within several hours to hammer.

I also say leave the mods out of this. We deal with this mess of a game. If you want to help, instead of picking on the one person less active than you go ahead and make a conclusive statement on who you think is scum and what we need to do about it. Everyone else has been able to do it in this game.

Yuuki: participation doesn't necessitate people asking you stuff. You can, you might be surprised to hear this, contribute stuff on your own
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Yuuki Rito
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I had a reason, though. I didn't announce that I would have two days of activity (Kakashi), or announce that I would return to vote for someone before day's end (Kira). My activity can't be compared to these two, who both expressed that they'd be available at the needed time.

I've begun pursuing Kakashi, who is one of my longest-running suspects. My previous suspect was Dandy, who died, and then I voiced my opinion on pursuing Isaac. With Kakashi's inactivity, I reason that he's someone I could pursue more easily than the highly active Isaac.

I really don't know what you want me to contribute, Mimi. I've mentioned my suspects, why I suspect them, begun pursuing them, answered questions, voiced my opinions on current events...I can't do a freefoot triple somersault with a flourish, if that's what your after.
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Isaac Dian
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Oh come on, Yuuki. Maybe you have a reason for being less active but you haven't expressed a whole lot of contrition for being absent. Don't act like you're doing all you can to contribute to this game- you post like what, 2-3 times per day? Actually start debating someone and show some real agency in this.

I certainly wouldn't call myself highly active either. You seem to have a different idea of what level of commitment is expected than the rest of us.

To answer Kira's question:

Yuuki: beyond the obvious choice of not voting against myself, Yuuki seems very dedicated to neutrality or going with the flow. I haven't seen any real contribution.

Kakashi: Mimi is one of the least suspicious members whereas Kakashi hasn't been around to answer various questions.

Kira: tough choice but I go with your (Kira's) truant vote over Weevil's erratic behavior and weird vendetta against Kakashi.

Out of curiosity, how did you decide on these three pairings?
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Mimi
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You are right Yuuki, I am after more.

I have concluded my re-reading, and while past incidents naturally make me question my instincts (goddamn it Sakuragi)... Having the knowledge of Tenmon being mafia does lead to an interesting switch in tone to some conversations.
From this point forward, I'm presenting my views on the players I find most worthy of attention, and I'll be commiting to a view. Naturally, I may be wrong, but given the way this town functions I don't even care anymore. If I'm wrong, I'll find out and re-adjust, and if I'm right then yay.

First of all, I'm clearing Lelouch from suspicion. Not sure if intentional, but his first gravitation towards Tenmon was the result of Tenmon talking about power roles in relation to activity. Early on I was aware that power roles in this game hold no value, and knowing the exact set up would help no one. While a faith healer dying was indeed useful knowledge, there is 0 reason for anyone in town to have been concerned about power roles.
Tenmon brought power roles up a couple of times, and I failed to notice due to focus on other things (like Sakuragi making weird statements and not correcting them)... but in one instance Lelouch did catch on to one of them... and then to elaborate his point he used, unfortunately, a post taken out of context. That's what I saw, and from there began the case against Lelouch.
So, Lelouch, if I am correct, you are a town that has dealt with unfortunate circumstances and timing. I apologize. If I am wrong, then well played in that even in the midst of all the distractions all that you say checks out rather well.

Weevil and Kakashi I have decided to ignore completely.
Weevil, the fact you didn't notice a player until Day 3 makes me think, like Claire, that you are hardly even playing. Not knowing how faith healers work until then also doesn't give you much credence. And then there's the bit where you said you had been playing cop this whole time to get killed first... but then reading back I saw nothing that made you sound cop. I don't know... I suppose you could be scum. To be fair, you being scum would support why Tenmon wanted to kill you, but then he was just playing a really good townie... I don't know, I guess I get no satisfaction whatsoever from just assuming you're the stealth mafia and trying to lynch you. Also, why do you care so much about mods? I think you mention mods at least once every day...
Kakashi has naturally played the game even less. Nothing to read there, nothing to say there.

Claire scream town to me, no question. Sure, so did Tenmon, but hey, if Claire is mafia then I tip my hat.

which leaves me with: Kira, Yuuki and Isaac.

Kira definitely has yesterday's failed lynch (almost) going against him, and then there are also bits like going for Sakuragi almost immediately in day 2 and then defaulting to only answering questions and going as inactive as he was accusing Sakuragi of being.

Isaac has been scummy in that: yesterday he insisted on bringing up the cop multiple times, and like I said before it strikes me really really badly when someone does that in a set-up where no town has any reason to try and bring attention to a cop. Then there's things like: mentioning in day 2 he doesn't like lynching people without enough information, along with being ok with hammering anyone without hesitation if necessary, along with making a dumb astro boy lynch joke, along with hammering Sakuragi early even though Sakuragi had not provided any more of the information he asked for, ALONG WITH on the next day warning others about L-2 and not to lynch too early.
AND THEN, his intensity on Lelouch is astoundingly aggressive, and it does ring nonsense when Tenmon and Isaac both began hovering around Lelouch from the second I voted for him onwards.

Yuuki I have elaborated on previously, and I realize on a reread why he bothers me so much. On the first day he actually wasn't completely useless and was asking questions. Then on day 2 he exclaims being useless and gravitates entirely on Dandy. The whole day, and even on his first post of Day 3. He also mentions that whoops, his one suspect Dandy is dead and now he suspects Kakashi and Claire. CLAIRE. CLAIRE? AND HE NEVER EXPLAINS WHY, which is the real bit of gold for me. Only when I finally begin pushing against him does he suddenly fall back into the fold, but this time the lelouch and isaac situation is taking place and he goes against Isaac.
I don't discount the possibility that Yuuki is just making weak plays. But the combination of showing usefulness on day 1, declaring uselessness of both kills on day 2 and how he knows nothing while focusing intensely on one player WHO THEN GETS MAFIA KILLED, making random sporadic accusations of suspicion that he never elaborated on and then mysteriously disappeared when he had other wagons to default to, and suspecting two incredibly townie players (Dandy, Claire) but not the incredibly townie player that WAS scum (Tenmon)... I don't know, part of me feels like I'm pigeon-holing, but it just really really rings scum.
And in that last post of his he mentions his Kakashi doubts but not his Claire doubts too. Most interesting.

And then we had Tenmon make a post about pairing mentioning him wondering about a Yuuki/Kira pairing. I would not be surprised about Tenmon wanting to, in his mighty towniness, hit at least a mafia 100% while hiding the other, and in the meantime just going after the flavor of the day to remain hidden... and I feel like since I had just brought up Yuuki and that's when he brought up that pairing, I'm gonna wager that his call was to bus Yuuki.

Lots of information here, and lots of probability calls. But given how pairings could work and how the days have gone, I am deciding to wager on a Yuuki / Isaac pairing. And since one of those has already started, let's get going Lelouch. And hey, if I'm hilariously wrong, then at least we get a step closer to ending this miserable town.

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