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Day 4: Another Non-Spoiler Death Title; Did Anyone Die Last Night?
Topic Started: Oct 29 2016, 10:01 PM (1,225 Views)
Hinata Hyuga
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With 8 players left, it takes 5 to lynch.

Isaac Dian (2): Mimi, Lelouch vi Britannia
Kakashi Hatake(1): Edward Weevil
Yoshikage Kira (1): Claire Stanfield

Not Voting (4): Isaac Dian, Kakashi Hatake, Yoshikage Kira, Yuuki Rito

Less than 28 hours left.
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Lelouch vi Britannia
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Kakashi isn't lurking about; he's fully inactive (can't play). Mods are looking for replacements but no guarantee. Its another Guilmon basically
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Yuuki Rito
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Oct 30 2016, 10:49 AM
Yuuki I have elaborated on previously, and I realize on a reread why he bothers me so much. On the first day he actually wasn't completely useless and was asking questions. Then on day 2 he exclaims being useless and gravitates entirely on Dandy. The whole day, and even on his first post of Day 3. He also mentions that whoops, his one suspect Dandy is dead and now he suspects Kakashi and Claire. CLAIRE. CLAIRE? AND HE NEVER EXPLAINS WHY, which is the real bit of gold for me. Only when I finally begin pushing against him does he suddenly fall back into the fold, but this time the lelouch and isaac situation is taking place and he goes against Isaac.
I don't discount the possibility that Yuuki is just making weak plays. But the combination of showing usefulness on day 1, declaring uselessness of both kills on day 2 and how he knows nothing while focusing intensely on one player WHO THEN GETS MAFIA KILLED, making random sporadic accusations of suspicion that he never elaborated on and then mysteriously disappeared when he had other wagons to default to, and suspecting two incredibly townie players (Dandy, Claire) but not the incredibly townie player that WAS scum (Tenmon)... I don't know, part of me feels like I'm pigeon-holing, but it just really really rings scum.
And in that last post of his he mentions his Kakashi doubts but not his Claire doubts too. Most interesting.
As you said, Claire is a seemingly town person. He's done clear to warrant my suspicion on him. In my initial post suspecting him, I specifically stated that he and Kira were 'a gut feeling'. That's absolutely nothing to go off, and it was completely unfounded at the time. Kira has since done things to make himself suspicious, hence my somewhat pursuing of him and not Claire. I didn't mention a reason for suspecting Kira at the time either.

I was pursuing Dandy because of his connection to Pappug on Day 1. It was the only lead I could find from Pappug. If my pursuit was baseless then I could buy you seeing me a Mafia, but I found a connection and pursued it.
It was either you or Dandy dead Night 2. You were the most valuable, discussitive players. If I'd been pursuing a less active player and they died I could buy that, too, but it seems like a pretty easy choice to target him.

What did I do on Day 1 that I did differently from other days? I had less posts than any other day: the first was me saying "I'm reading, I'll post soon", and the second was asking a couple of questions. This has pretty much been my MO since then. What exactly do you see as different then?
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Yuuki Rito
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Crap, removed the final paragraph.

I didn't call out Dandy OR Claire for being townie players. Dandy's Pappug connection, and a gut feeling that I never pursued on Claire. I would've went after you and Tenma if I was pursuing the townie-seeming players.

Vote lynch: Isaac Dian
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Isaac Dian
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Sigh. It's very difficult to defend myself when people won't respond to or acknowledge my posts.

Yuuki, would you please reiterate your reasoning against me? It's unclear what's solidified for you against me beyond simple bandwagoning.
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Yuuki Rito
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Your 'joke' vote for Astro, that you quickly removed after being called out on it.
Ending Day 2 early. Maybe it's because you're new, maybe it's an excuse.
You went from "not having any evidence against Lelouch" to making a lengthy case in the course of a day.
Your not having definitive stances on things until being approached about it.

Sum up Lelouch's and Mimi's arguments against you and it's basically things they've already mentioned.
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Isaac Dian
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Ok, people still have a problem with my Day 2 joke vote. If you're still just uncomfortable with it, that's fine. It was a weird and fairly dumb move and I've already admitted it as such.

However, some people still seem to be under the impression that it wasn't a joke vote and it's somehow evidence that I'm mafia. That there was some other purpose behind it. For the life of me I can't figure out what logic would lead to randomly voting Astro Boy.

Sakuragi was Town so if I was mafia I obviously wouldn't have had much reason to seriously start another train, especially given that the second train at the time was Lelouch, whom I believe to be another Townie.

Astro Boy had been minimally active and I can't think of any reason to suspect him of being JOAT at the time. I don't think a mafia would have had any reason to really single him out.

If I wanted to lay low and avoid bandwagoning Sakuragi, I would have drawn a lot less attention by simply not voting.

If you can think of a logical reason that it might have been intentional and not simply an ill-advised joke, I'd be happy to hear it.
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Thanks for answering, my reasoning for the pairings? While a bit random, I actually have thought about a connection between Isaac and Yuuki as well, so that was at least interesting.
Only thing really springing to my attention here though was Weevil, who was the only one not really commenting on his picks. Maybe he didn't want to say anything about his scum buddies?

Yuuki mentioned in his post how I could have just refreshed until Claire posted, but as I already mentioned I didn't have that much time to wait...and actually forgot, since - just like you - I was at a party as well.

Claire brought up that a townie doesn't need to worry about coming off as a scummy, which I kind disagree a bit with. Yes, he doesn't need to worry early in the game, but in the state we're in? With not many clues to go on and every mislynch bringing us very close to loosing, appearing scummy as a townie could turn fatal. In my opinion at the least.

Anyways, before yesterday's disaster happens again, I will bring this to L-1 now, without thinking too much about it:

Vote Lynch: Isaac Dian
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Weevil we need every last vote. I get that Kakashi was your number 1 suspect earlier and all, but he's not here to answer your questions. (The mods are looking for a replacement.) As infuriating as it is, we pretty much don't have the luxury to lynch off all the dead weight. We have to pursue those who appear as scum.

I still suspect Isaac for all the reasons I said before. But in a nutshell, it's because he was doing the same thing as Tenma (trying to twist almost anything I said or did as scummy) only to a lesser degree and with less thought put into it. Most incriminating thing to me honestly was him admitting he made a jab at me being Mafia while knowing that it didn't make sense. Again, intentionally misleading the Town and framing me (see:Tenma) because he was annoyed at me.

Yuuki, well, first you have him hounding Isaac for his Astroboy joke of all things. Then he says he finds mine and Mimi's arguments compelling enough to vote Isaac but
then goes ahead and mostly misses the points of our arguments in his reasons to vote Isaac. Looks like a hasty bus more than anything.

While I'm writing this Kira has been typing so I'll have to check that out too
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While annoying that Kira didn't hammer, I don't fully consider it a scumslip. If the mafia were intentionally using inactivity as an excuse to not lynch him, then Tenma kind of stabbed them in the back.

Also about not appearing scummy, I agree with Claire that getting the lynch done should have been a priority over "looking scummy," but at the same time, I see Kira's point in not wanting to misguide the town. Personally, I had to bite my tongue a lot in Day 2 and 3 to not misguide the town, while I was convinced that Tenma was scum (due to him framing me for every little thing), because the only concrete evidence I had was me being innocent, which of course nobody else could be sure of.
For example, I really wanted to put my vote on him when Mimi did but I refrained because there was not much evidence against him, and I realized that that would make me look even more scummy and misguide the Town even more. And as it turned out, Mimi was laying a trap and Astro, who was completely right about Tenma, had to explain his assurances by role-claiming.
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