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Day 5: Another One Bites the Dust
Topic Started: Nov 1 2016, 07:30 PM (826 Views)
Yuuki Rito
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I'll place my vote closer to the end of the day. I can 100% guarantee that I'll show up.
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Yoshikage Kira
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Sorry, would have only been able to post from my phone the last 12 hours, which would have been ideal for a longer post.

But anyway, it seems like you all just cannot forget the Tenma thing, seeing how it is brought up almost every single post about me. Yes, as scum I would totally do such obviously shady bullshit, because I wanted Tenma and myself lynched consecutively. Seems like it's time for a fresh start.

Vote Kill: Yoshikage Kira
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Yoshikage Kira
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Hello guys, I don't know how I got here, but my name is Kosaku Kawajiri. I have no idea what is going on, but I have looked through what you have done before and will organize my thoughts about it.
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*rereads Day 3*

Oh my gosh, I was such a douche to Isaac that day. What the hell, Past Me?

Petition to change my name to "Ledouche"
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First off, yes, Mimi. I didn't think Claire was mafia yesterday, but I also thought Isaac was. His death changed my outlook on many things I thought to be true. I'll rather change my opinion on someone, then let them slip through.

Anyways, my thoughts about Claire and Yuuki being scum buddies has interestingly to do with their lack of interaction with each other as well as Tenma.

Day 1 has no interactions between Yuuki, Claire and Tenma at all. Claire only mentions Yuuki and Tenma here together with anybody else, but as two unhighlighted players (fair for the time however).

On Day 2 Tenma, confirmed scum, once addressed every player with only a single post on that day at the time. Thing is he forgot Claire at first. I'd argue a scum buddy is someone you could easily overlook in such a post. No interaction with Yuuki again, who didn't really do anything that day. One thing that stands about him, is that his gut feeling about Claire and me starts here. No further reasoning, possibly mentioning another scum to seemingly put a distance between each other.
Tenma and Claire were the first people who shared my opinions about Sakuragi.

Day 3 actually had a bit more interaction at the least. First off, Tenma jumped at Weevil during that day, Claire mentioned he had to resist voting him too. And at this point, I don't think Tenma was trying to throw us off by voting a scum buddy here, it seems rather genuine (which only leaves me with Yuuki/Claire as team up now anyways, Kakashi not included). What they talked about each other was rather tame however, mostly having to do with the Isaac/Lelouch debate. Here Claire is defending Yuuki's behaviour a bit though.

Claire says he just finds Yuuki rather, giving more attention to Isaac, Weevil and me. Yuuki in turn also throws away his gut feeling about Claire - although mentioning today that him and me were still his highest suspects until rereading. That is all concerning their interactions on that day.

Finally, today, Day 5. In the beginning Claire just focusses on Kakashi, Yuuki still only Nr. 3 on his suspect list. Yuuki then clearly misinterprets my post towards my stance on Claire yesterday. And from the three person he questions, the question towards Claire seems, well, rather forced.

All in all, with 2 mafia left and only 4 viable candidates, Claire and Yuuki show a clear history of not talking much about each other. It's okay that your suspects are your suspects, but the behaviour you two had with each other during this game - at least to me - feels like intentionally avoiding. Your stance on each other throughout can be boiled down to "Seems town" and "Maybe scum, but...nah".

If the rest still wants to lynch me, fair enough...but I would really appreciate if you do in Yuuki first, and also not blindly believe in Claire being town atm. If Yuuki turns out town I swear to not even try voting someone tommorow, but to just accept my fate.

Vote Lynch: Yuuki Rito



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Yoshikage Kira
Nov 3 2016, 02:44 AM
On Day 2 Tenma, confirmed scum, once addressed every player with only a single post on that day at the time. Thing is he forgot Claire at first. I'd argue a scum buddy is someone you could easily overlook in such a post. No interaction with Yuuki again, who didn't really do anything that day. One thing that stands about him, is that his gut feeling about Claire and me starts here. No further reasoning, possibly mentioning another scum to seemingly put a distance between each other.
Tenma and Claire were the first people who shared my opinions about Sakuragi.




Funny you should bring this up. I have 2 issues with this. Firstly, we know Tenma was a good player, why would he not communicate at all with BOTH of his buddies for a full day?
Secondly, on Day 3, Tenma comments on the Sakuragi wagon. He mentions 4 names - the first 2 to vote: Kira and Claire, and the last 2 to vote: Isaac and Lelouch. He notes that these four are worth pursuing, but only elaborates on and engages Claire, Isaac, and Lelouch. But look, he has an open door for Kira just in case. Seems more in line with what a mafia would do.

About Yuuki, I don't like his gut-feeling posts, but in terms of who he suspected and why, his story is pretty consistent. However, i take issue with him on Day 4 on his suspicion of Isaac.

Up until this point he had not much to say on Isaac, except "Hmm they both make good points" and later "Lelouch's arguments are swaying me." But when he came to lay down the vote he had this to say:

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Your 'joke' vote for Astro, that you quickly removed after being called out on it.
Ending Day 2 early. Maybe it's because you're new, maybe it's an excuse.
You went from "not having any evidence against Lelouch" to making a lengthy case in the course of a day.
Your not having definitive stances on things until being approached about it.
Sum up Lelouch's and Mimi's arguments against you and it's basically things they've already mentioned.


Majority of those points have nothing to do with what Mimi and I had to say. For a guy who was "persuaded by my arguments" he didn't even mention one point I said. My main issues with Isaac were (A)pointing finger with vague reasoning/no proof (B)seemingly encouraging following others and discouraging conversation and (C)implying I was mafia by a baseless "association" with Dandy. Funny enough, Yuuki's also pretty guilty of A and B.

What it looks like is that he didn't actually read/comprehend whatever I wrote and just took my side to counter Tenma or because it seemed more likely Isaac would be lynched.

When I accused him of hastily cobbling this together, he even agreed, and said yeah, I just wanted some new points. But how can you justify a lynch with reasoning you threw together after already deciding the lynch?
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Like come on, if you were an undecided Townie, you would have been hanging on to every word of that debate. You wouldn't miss the main points of one side's arguments, particularly the one you claim to be persuaded by.
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But wait! Let's not forget about Isaac-san.

In one of his last posts, he had several things to say about Kira and Yuuki. Yuuki had the good grace to offer some sort of explanation. Kira on the other hand paid it no heed. So I ask you now, Kira, to explain (1)why you ignored this [a Townie would analyze a dead Townie's last words, suspicions, and perspectives] and (2)what is your response to this:

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Kira said he was basically equally suspicious of me, Lelouch, Mimi, and Yuuki and then voted me without explaining a change of opinion. It comes across to me as leaving his options open and then simply jumping on the wagon with the most people. This, in addition to his earlier suspicious behavior that we've already discussed, is what leads me to believe he's mafia.
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Man I feel like Ken Bone.I am such an undecided voter here. Better ask another question.

@Yuuki:You spent far more posts saying that you were pursuing your lead suspect Kakashi than actually pursuing him. It is still a possibility he is mafia. Aside from inactivity, what exactly do you see as scumlike in him?
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PSA: Day Ends at 1:30 EST!! 15 hours remain!

I wanna give these 2 some time to answer the questions. But I WILL hammer or L-1 (effectively hammer thanks to our pal Kakashi) whatever wagon I choose maybe 1 or 2 hours before day end. So please answer questions, and to the Town, don't hesitate to vote.
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