| Day 5: Another One Bites the Dust | |
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| Lelouch vi Britannia | Nov 3 2016, 04:31 AM Post #41 |
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Code Geass
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For clarification, I mean vote near the end of the day, and after some responses and discussion, not right now lol |
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| Yuuki Rito | Nov 3 2016, 05:25 AM Post #42 |
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Wouldn't you only be putting the second of four votes onto a wagon?
Not much. The inactivity wasn't really an issue. When I noticed that he had been completely absent for two days and brought it up, I almost immediately received notification that a replacement was being searched for. I stated those suspects on Day 2, and as such Kakashi was suspicious because of how he treated his Weevil vote. I questioned him in a half-hearted attempt to garner activity from him. Out of my three suspects (him, Weevil and Kira), he's the lowest on the radar. That said, I do recall noticing something on my reread, but I didn't write it down. I'll search again after writing this up. With my 'list of reasons to lynch Isaac', that last line ('sum up the other arguments') wasn't meant to say "I just summed up their argument", but "add their points to this list". I was never really undecided on Lelouch/Isaac. From the first time I mentioned it, I was 'pro-Lelouch', after reading his arguments.
That's because it was. I didn't want to say "I suspected Claire, but now I don't, and I'm not going to follow up on him anymore." The reason I am getting a town read on Claire is because I specifically searched for incriminating evidence, and found little. The question related to what little I did find.
Please quote the part where I threw my suspicions away there, because I'm not seeing it. I mention that I didn't recall anything suspicious about him, and that's about it. Only today would I be willing to throw away my gut feeling, and that's because I've actually read through the game and trust my opinion more. Furthermore, Claire wasn't the only person I had little interaction with. As has been pointed out, I've been playing a game of 'answering questions' for the most part, and haven't really done much with anybody that hasn't approached me. I haven't interacted with Weevil, Kakashi, Tenma, Astro, or Pappug; I've only really mentioned two of those more than once. My 'not interacting' argument is void based on that. I acknowledge the other points you've made, though. I will vote for Kira ~9 hours from the time I post this. |
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| Hinata Hyuga | Nov 3 2016, 06:20 AM Post #43 |
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Naruto
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With 7 players left, it takes 4 to lynch. Yoshikage Kira (1): Mimi Yuuki Rito(1): Yoshikage Kira Not Voting (5): Claire Stanfield, Edward Weevil, Kakashi Hatake, Lelouch vi Britannia, Yuuki Rito About 13 hours left. |
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| Mimi | Nov 3 2016, 06:50 AM Post #44 |
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Digimon
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I see other people responded a couple of good points, but I want to go back to something you failed to completely address in your response. Namely, there's the fact you still treat the issue as Claire being scum BECAUSE of interactions with Yuuki and Tenma (or lack thereof?), but then that fails under multiple avenues - Weevil has easily as much of an issue being pinned as interacting with nearly anyone, including Yuuki who he expressed not to know about in day 3. You clear Weevil because Tenma wanted to lynch him and it seemed "genuine"... so? He could have very genuinely been eager to bus a mafia scumbuddy who stood out in their sheer apathy towards the game. So clearing Weevil from that does not hold any water, and goes to show how you are intent on keeping focus on Yuuki and Claire pairing. And again, this is the rub you find yourself in that I already pointed out. It is obvious that with Kakashi like he is and Lelouch and I cleared, you guys are suddenly extremely low on people to fly at for a mislynch. What makes your arguments completely in line with this narrative is that everything you have against Claire right now is speculative based on Yuuki being a scumbuddy. On Claire himself? To my understanding you have absolutely nothing on him vis a vis how he has played. Sure, perhaps to you that's irrelevant but you still have consider that what you are asking us to do is to weigh the entirety of your game, a game where you committed extremely little to anything, had meager activity, and someone who has been consistently seen as scummy by multiple people for multiple days now... and you are asking us to ignore that in order to allow for your speculation against an individual so town you have to make a case out of nothing. You realize the position you are in right? That's probably why you do it. Setting up Claire as townie completely eliminates any shred of chance mafia could have. Because suddenly there's only three candidates and that means that even with a mislynch town can STILL win. Given that, the whole thing were you insist on Claire while showing absolutely no evidence is pinning you against the wall, because currently there is simply no evidence to build a case on a scummy Claire. Here's another consideration. You mention how if you were mafia it would have been stupid to fail to lynch Tenma as that would have made you suspicious immediately and led to two scum dying one after the other. But this hypothetical is fallacious for multiple reasons: - Even while failing to lynch Tenma for town you were still able to set up and apology and avoid suspicion for a bit longer - Your reality ignores the fact that in doing what you did Tenma, outside of his self-lynch, would have survived one night longer, meaning one more night of three heads as opposed to two (Tenma being obviously a strong player too! Why WOULDN'T you want to keep that upon seeing no one else was hammering and had now come to rely on your vote?)... and then even if it came out scummy as all hell, you could have apologized about it and then had an entire day of making a case against an obviously investigated Tenma in order to re-establish credibility. Extra day, and then an extra night to clean out good townies and get away with possibly winning. And then the other gem to me is that last line of yours... it's a cute sentimentality but can be so easily read through with a mafia twist to it. A mafia would know who else is scum, and revolve the entire day around discrediting a townie by linking him to that scumbuddy. Then when wanting to show integrity, you say that town votes for one of them and if wrong then you will be the first to lynch yourself. But how do we know you're not just simply asking us to lynch your scumbuddy? That would mean that he flips mafia, you go "see, I told you guys! Now let's kill Claire since I was obviously on the right path!" and even if it's not as simple as that you put town in a position of doubting a previously considered strong townie while also giving you room for having credibly called out part of the pairing. Guys, I don't think this should be a question. Everything Kira has spouted today has done nothing to redeem the scummy behavior he has had and has only been intended to poison us against someone that we were fine clearing yesterday. Again, if someone came up, right now and pointed out something specific about Claire that is inconsistent, THAT would be valuable. Because, again, the only logic I can see here when looking at the entire context of how Kira has played the game versus how Claire has played is that Claire has remained astoundingly consistent and water-tight in his opinions, and has done things that would make no sense for a mafia to do (Why would a mafia have chosen to argue against the rising doubt towards Lelouch for example? Explain that to me) It's not even a contest to me, literally everything Kira has done can be framed as mafia behavior. Meanwhile, nearly nothing Claire has done can be reasoned as such. Call it instinct based on facts or just sheer respect for how solid Claire's game has been, but I just cannot bring myself to doubt him after multiple re-reads. And that's a belief in him that right now shines strong and allows me to see this as a non-issue. There's a possibility I am wrong, but I am nevertheless committing to this view. Claire being clear to me means Kira, Yuuki and Weevil are the only suspects, and a mislynch today, on the really rare chance Kira isn't scum, means we have our mafia pairing nicely concluded and ready to be lynched. Other argument: say we have a possibility between Kira, Yuuki, or Weevil. It may be arrogance, but I think it would be wise to decide who between these three would be the most dangerous as mafia, and for me, considering the poison he has been launching at Claire from nowhere, Kira is the obvious most dangerous one. Even if a mislynch, I think we could take as a unit on a Yuuki - Weevil combo far easier than something including Kira, someone who has shown versatility in being present to both start wagons (Sakuragi) and [fail] to end them (Tenmon) Lastly, I insist on Kakashi not being mafia. It is hard for me to imagine a context in which setting up the rule that we got today would be fair with Kakashi as mafia. Namely because it is virtually impossible for town to win with a Kakashi mafia. No sensible town will ignore scummy behavior taking place right now to go "you know what, instead of following up on how scummy active people are, let's just lynch the auto-hammer"... it'd be incredibly stupid and threaten to neutralize us further. Also, Kira if you do flip thank you for the hint on Yuuki =3 That said though, I don't think it will be a mislynch this time. But by now I'm rambling. To those of you holding back because you also doubt Yuuki or you also doubt Weevil, consider this: 1. Even with a mislynch we have enough cleared and active townies to overwhelm mafia. |
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| Mimi | Nov 3 2016, 06:57 AM Post #45 |
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Digimon
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dang it, poor editing. Whatever. I'm done |
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| Yoshikage Kira | Nov 3 2016, 08:32 AM Post #46 |
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Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
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Good god, I do not have time to properly respond to any of this before day's end. Let's bring this loss over with. Vote Lynch: Yoshikage Kira |
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| Yoshikage Kira | Nov 3 2016, 08:37 AM Post #47 |
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Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
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Just sayin': With one person dying, tomorrow there will be 2 mafia votes to two town votes. Good luck with how the mods will decide with Kakashi there. |
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| Yoshikage Kira | Nov 3 2016, 08:51 AM Post #48 |
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Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
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Almost forgot. Unvote Vote Lynch: Yoshikage Kira |
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| Edward Weevil | Nov 3 2016, 09:06 AM Post #49 |
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One Piece
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What are you exactly doing today |
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| Yoshikage Kira | Nov 3 2016, 09:09 AM Post #50 |
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Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
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Having university all day and because of that not being able to refute any points against me. |
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